From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,b314a3c8f7311755 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder1-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!feeder.news-service.com!69.16.177.242.MISMATCH!cyclone02.ams2.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf01.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe11.ams2.POSTED!40385e62!not-for-mail From: Per Sandberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: IBM Rational Ada References: <57Kgl.327677$Mh5.326555@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <925cad43-6435-4115-83cf-6dc9b4f20612@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <0029a4b0-d524-41cb-830c-c60fb9a35e09@p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <0029a4b0-d524-41cb-830c-c60fb9a35e09@p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@WWWSpace.NET NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:13:18 UTC Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:14:19 +0100 Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:4505 Date: 2009-01-31T14:14:19+01:00 List-Id: Talk about getting nostalgic. The old R1000:s I think they where the best development tool ever produced but there was some serous drawbacks: * Price * Performance * Only one language They were awfully slow I recall some system builds that required serious planing, 1 week setup 4 weeks to compile and 1 week cleanup. To build a similar sized system today takes about 10 minutes a budget desktop machine. /Nostalgic /Per -:) Martin wrote: > On Jan 31, 3:20 am, Britt Snodgrass wrote: >> On Jan 30, 3:24 pm, Martin wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Jan 30, 9:16 pm, a...@anon.org (anon) wrote: >>>> Well it seams from web site: http://ec.synnex.com/vendors/IBM.html >>>> that IBM has recall the >>>> "IBM Rational Ada Developer v.4.4 Enterprise Edition - BT01ENA" >>>> on 1/26/2009. But you can still seached for that package you will get >>>> a number of web sites that have the price between $106 to $200. Just >>>> like the following: >>>> From:http://www.techshopping.biz/sale/3297647/ >>>> "IBM Rational Ada Developer v.4.4 Enterprise Edition - BT01ENA" >>>> $118.95 >>>> The only problem is that it was based on Ada 95 with a few extra >>>> (Ada 2005 features). >>>> Now, I guess those who want this package will have to wait until and see >>>> if IBM will release an "Ada 2005 CDROM media license" version and hope it >>>> will have a similar price. >>> There is another problem... >>> ...it's out of stock! For the price though I'd get it!- Hide quoted text - >> I'm quite sure that price only gets you the physical distribution >> media (CD-ROM) and maybe some printed installation instructions. IBM/ >> Rational Apex requires a FLEXlm served license to run and that still >> costs $$$$$ per license, minimum. > > So, the �200 is what? Just a command line compiler? > > >> IBM would be better served if they offered a hobbyist license for Apex >> or switched to an open-source, support based business model. Apex was >> great for its time but IBM has treated it as a (diminishing return) >> cash cow for several years, ever since they bought Rational. I fear >> that Telelogic (IBM's recent acquisition) will suffer the same fate as >> Rational (great products, uncompetitively priced, left to fade away). > > Hope not...we are heavy users of Telelogic Rhapsody... > > I used Apex for about 4 years and the R1000's before that - Apex was > one of those "way of life" tools but rather cool once you 'got it'! > > Cheers > -- Martin