From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,60e2922351e0e780 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-21 08:13:21 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:13:19 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:13:18 -0500 From: "Robert I. Eachus" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: OT: Nuclear Waste (Was Re-Marketing Ada) References: <3FB22125.1040807@noplace.com> <3FB3751D.5090809@noplace.com> <1069092089.51926@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <1069341262.907029@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.34.214.193 X-Trace: sv3-SesWOh7kXjOl9u3xwwRE7pir1gN2NQpGAeMvRlcBux42OlkOdP2Sv0FILVGF3Du8xLrAckqecnhrnPZ!i9HluLZlvUHXwKGGutGbPg2PBEg2avXUcW4oQUETJ3aixo0XNzS7JLydIVTOrQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2818 Date: 2003-11-21T11:13:18-05:00 List-Id: Preben Randhol wrote: > You mean the debrie after a couple of planes went down due to minimal > amount of testing. > > or perhaps the debrie of the Ariane missels? How about the number of passengers who were killed during testing of the Airbus 340? It was monumentally stupid of Airbus to have passengers during required testing, but the crash was one that would only occur during thorough testing. If thorough testing wasn't required, probably no other A340 would have crashed for the same reason. So there is a trade-off involved, and the right answer is to cut-off the testing at a point where the testing is more likely to kill people than not doing the test. Incidentally, the A320 is an example of the opposite effect. There were flaws in the design of the autopilot that were not discovered during testing, and it took several crashes of the A320 in service with full passenger loads before the problems were found. In the GM foods case, the equivalent point is where resources spent on testing could better be spent on dealing with natural mutations. Right now, the GM foods are ridiculously over tested by that standard. -- Robert I. Eachus 100% Ada, no bugs--the only way to create software.