From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,TO_NO_BRKTS_FROM_MSSP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 1158e3,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gid1158e3,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-18 07:24:00 PST Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,ccomp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy From: Ted Dennison References: <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g840k$qjt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <40gfitgrvd8cgu27r3vfib6eptmapb3pfl@4ax.com> <9g8lrk$37c$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9ganmu$pj5$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <1eaW6.8954$pb1.343242@www.newsranger.com> <9lhlit0pt6711apais5d9o1n07i7q7u15p@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: When contacting newsranger.com regarding abuse please X-Abuse-Info: forward the entire news article including headers or X-Abuse-Info: else we will not be able to process your request X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsranger.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:23:41 EDT Organization: http://www.newsranger.com Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:23:41 GMT Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!feed.textport.net!news.bnb-lp.com!newsranger.com!www.newsranger.com!not-for-mail Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8841 comp.lang.java.programmer:77128 comp.lang.pl1:1083 comp.lang.vrml:3858 comp.lang.java.advocacy:21374 Date: 2001-06-18T14:23:41+00:00 List-Id: In article <9lhlit0pt6711apais5d9o1n07i7q7u15p@4ax.com>, Roedy Green says... > >On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:43:25 GMT, Ted Dennison >wrote or quoted : > >>0) The freedom to run the software for any purpose. >>1) The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs >>2) The freedom to redistribute copies. >>3) The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the >>public. > >Do (1) and (2) imply free in the ordinary sense? I suppose that's ultimately a matter of opinion. But the alternative in the case of #1 is that there is someone out there who makes it their business what I do with the software in my own home on my own computer. The alternative in case #2 is that I cannot share certian information with my neighbor without breaking the law. That sure doesn't make me *feel* free. This is of couse just a list of freedoms, so you could argue that it isn't comprehensive enough to merit the title "free". But then you'd have to come up with some important freedom that isn't a result of one of the listed freedoms. Some like to argue that you aren't *truly* free without the right to make your own proprietary (non-Free) software out of the "free software". However, some also like to argue that we in the US aren't truly free people, as we are prohibited from selling ourselves into slavery. :-) I believe the operative principle in our case was that you have to take away some rights to ensure that the rest will always remain. At least that's what I remember them telling me in school. >May I do this without having to pay a fee to the originator? If you are not allowed to do any of the above without first paying someone a toll, then no, you are not free to do so. --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html home email - mailto:dennison@telepath.com