From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FROM_WORDY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-25 05:51:02 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr17.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ken Garlington" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy References: <9gsvr7$7ho$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9folnd$1t8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B1FE1FE.B49AE27F@noaa.gov> <9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b24dc21$1@news.tce.com> <3B25D5FB.15C9B240@dresdner-bank.com> <9g5as6$hbq$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g5ipg$roq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g614i$at4$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b366a2b$6$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software Organization: ex-FlashNet, now Prodigy X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.65.211.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr17.news.prodigy.com 993473452 6207069 65.65.211.61 (Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:50:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:50:52 EDT Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:50:52 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9087 comp.lang.java.programmer:78523 comp.lang.pl1:1123 comp.lang.vrml:3909 comp.lang.java.advocacy:21893 Date: 2001-06-25T12:50:52+00:00 List-Id: "Ken Garlington" wrote in message news:bbvZ6.1539$Cb1.798560367@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... : "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" wrote in : message news:3b366a2b$6$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net... : : : The industry has had both decentralized : : development on centralized hardware and centralized development on : : decentralized hardware for as long as I can remember. : : Just out of curiosity, how long can you remember? Let's say, just hypothetically, that you've been programming since 1960. How long can you remember trends in the computing industry (which, presumably, is different from either academic computing or hobbyist programming)? In fact, let's go further - does your memory confirm that the OS/360 development effort described in Brooks was fairly typical (if not advanced) for industrial computing in the early-to-mid 1960's?