From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,61ca51fcfd50e9a9 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-24 03:00:12 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!diablo.voicenet.com!news.moat.net!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Dale Stanbrough Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: GNAT Programming System 1.4.0 release References: <1069351258.801696@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <1069425730.240407@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <1069440595.219148@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.3b1 (PPC Mac OS X) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:59:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.132.42.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1069671558 144.132.42.201 (Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:59:18 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:59:18 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2894 Date: 2003-11-24T10:59:18+00:00 List-Id: Preben Randhol wrote: > No I'm arguing that he will lack the understanding of the usage of the > program. Say you are making a program for some IT department in a > company. You design it very nice and the UI designer makes the GUI very > nice and spiffy. Then the user who is going to do a change on the status > of 200 employees sits and curses because he has to click with his mouse > all day to get the job done instead of simply running a script or some > such. The example is a bit extrem, but it brings out my point and that > is that it is the user who knows where the bottlenecks and annoyances > are. If the developer IS a user too he should be able to make a much > better program. I think people dismiss too easily the skills and professionalism of other workers; putting at naught their training and experience. I often see engineers who -think- they don't need professional programmers because -they- can program a small C program. One such program I saw had -no- indenting at all. All column 1 code! You are doing much the same to GUI people. No one was saying that a GUI designer sits in isolation, weaving their magic without consulting anyone. Just as we would not expect a systems analyst to do a requirements without the customer. The GUI designer will sit -with- a programmer (the customer) and work with him/her, each bringing their own insights and skills to the problem at hand. To think that the programmer could replace the GUI designer is like an automotive engineer dismissing a car designer, or a fruit vendor dismissing a chef. Dale -- dstanbro@spam.o.matic.bigpond.net.au