From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-12 04:45:45 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsrout1.ntli.net!news.ntli.net!newspeer1-win.server.ntli.net!newsfe1-win.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping References: <407A7CB0.8010406@noplace.com> In-Reply-To: <407A7CB0.8010406@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:47:57 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.107.63.68 X-Trace: newsfe1-win 1081770348 81.107.63.68 (Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:45:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:45:48 GMT Organization: NTL Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:7002 Date: 2004-04-12T12:47:57+01:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > It might be true, but it depends on that ellusive "All Other Things > Being Equal" quality. That is never the case in the real world. When the > OS is written in C, the GUI library is in C, the database is in C, > bindings to all relevant other work are in C, the programmers are all > trained up in C and thousands of books are out there in C, the playing > field is uneven. If you want to win, you've got to tilt the playing > field more in your direction. My problem is that people make claims like that without explaining or supporting them. I could say I am 10x more productive than Marin whatever the language. That isn't likely to be true but I have no way of your skills, experience or competance so it'd just be statement of belief (not that it is). It's a silly example, but highlights the problem. It might just be that 100 Ada programmers are more productive than 100 C programmers generally. It maybe true only for specific tasks, situations or it may not be true at all. I don't think the productivity argument is convincing at all in the sense that managers and software engineers will not be convinced by it alone. They've heard them before for language x, y and z and development process p1, p2, p3 ... p5839929 revision 152 (although processes catch on easier than languages and do *seem* to show some level of improvement)! Money has been spent, time invested and code developed so they won't shift based on the opinions of a few people in the Ada community.