From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10261c,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10261c,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 10c950,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10c950,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: billg@jk.pst.com Subject: Re: Your english sucks, mine is better. Date: 1997/11/29 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 293750403 References: <34557f2b.1934172@news.mindspring.com> <65iclc$cms$5@darla.visi.com> <65p7v8$f0j@netra.montana.edu> Organization: IDT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso,comp.lang.pascal.misc Date: 1997-11-29T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <65p7v8$f0j@netra.montana.edu>, ljelmore@montana.campus.mci.net says... > billg@jk.pst.com wrote in message ... > >In article <65iclc$cms$5@darla.visi.com>, seebs@plethora.net says... > >> In article , > wrote: > >> >There are no bad employees, just bad managers. > >> > >> I disagree, having met bad employees. I will grant, I've met more bad > >> managers... > > I suspect that's because being a good manager requires a lot more of some > skills and personality traits than most employees need. Lord knows I've met > a _lot_ of people who have a difficult enough time keeping _themselves_ > organized and coordinated with their coworkers, let alone trying to keep a > group of people working together productively and amicably. Are you making the assumption that "a good team member" is necessarily a requirement? Being good at the details is not really the overriding requirement for being a manager. > I wonder just how > much real-world experience you have? I've made you defensive, sorry. Give me someone who "knows" vs. someone with "experience" any day BTW. The "experience" argument is usually used by those who would like to have control over another by some kind of mystical virtue and without having to prove themselves. billg