From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10261c,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10261c,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 10c950,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10c950,public From: billg@jk.pst.com Subject: Re: Your english sucks, mine is better. Date: 1997/11/28 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 293501582 References: <34557f2b.1934172@news.mindspring.com> <65iclc$cms$5@darla.visi.com> Organization: IDT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso,comp.lang.pascal.misc Date: 1997-11-28T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <65iclc$cms$5@darla.visi.com>, seebs@plethora.net says... > In article , wrote: > >There are no bad employees, just bad managers. > > I disagree, having met bad employees. I will grant, I've met more bad > managers... > > Still, I've met people who start by lying about what they can do, and > then try to cover up for it. Now, you can blame part of this on the > manager not inspiring them, or firing them if they won't work, but the > employee is responsible for some of this too... My guess is the person was, in most instances, not lying but rather "believed" he/she could do it (shine; take a short term risk to realize longer term results, for example) given the opportunity. Given enough time, I'll bet they could have too. Other times visions of what is required, agreed to and what the potentials are, are seriously misinterpretted by one or both parties. Nothing to resort to name calling or ill feelings about however. It's just learning. It takes a pretty "big" person to give someone real opportunity for achievement, self-worth etc. Sometimes doing good may cost you something in the short term. But in the fast-food age I realize this is idealistic. billg