From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10c950,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10c950,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 10261c,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10261c,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public From: billg@jk.pst.com Subject: Re: Your english sucks, mine is better. Date: 1997/11/24 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 292415714 References: <65ab3u$v07$1@news.nyu.edu> <65bo2c$d9l$1@news.nyu.edu> <65d7i8$jt@netra.montana.edu> Organization: IDT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso,comp.lang.pascal.misc Date: 1997-11-24T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <65d7i8$jt@netra.montana.edu>, ljelmore@montana.campus.mci.net says... > > There's definitely something to this, however, I fail to see a causal > relationship with capitalism. This is merely describing very common human > behavior at any point and place in time one chooses to look at. Competition > is a basic fact of life -- for _all_ life, from viruses on up. I recently > saw a good show on the social life and dynamics of a pack of wolves, and > there's several on chimps. I didn't see anything much different there, and > you can't blame capitalism for chimpanzee deceit and jockeying for power and > position... Such behavior existed among humans since our earliest ancestors > (that could be called human), long before capitalism was around, and if > capitalism dies out (and it's certainly under heavy assault), those > behaviors will still be here. Human nature is one thing, but to condone the ugly parts of it and to even promote it (and capitalize because of it), given that we are now "civilized" and "able to think and reason", is another. Unbridled capitalism is the petri dish for those oppressing and repressing crimes against humanity not to mention blatant stealing. > > These are behaviors that may work in the short run quite well, but not in > the long run. Impeccable honor and integrity are not absolutely required, > but a relatively high degree of it certainly is if one intends to run a > legitimate, long-term business. > That's the really good thing about capitalism -- the companies either > changed their ways or went out of business (or are limping along on the > verge of going out of business) because their products are shoddy, and their > productivity low because most of their workforce is crap. That's not true most of the time as evidenced by the company's that win via marketing as opposed to quality. Case in point: MS. They're continually trying to stifle the little guy and lock their (unknowning) customers into their products. (aside: Sun has learned from MS's bad example, so has Borland, to market deceptively and use technology as a weapon of submission (dependency)). Their philosophy is written all over their products if you know how to read them. Unfortunately, "there's one born every minute". Their ethics as a corporation are questionable at BEST. They are first on my list as forfeiture candidates. billg