From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 10c950,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10c950,public X-Google-Thread: 10261c,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10261c,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: billg@jk.pst.com Subject: Re: Your english sucks, mine is better. Date: 1997/11/24 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 292284777 References: <65ab3u$v07$1@news.nyu.edu> <65bo2c$d9l$1@news.nyu.edu> Organization: IDT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso,comp.lang.pascal.misc Date: 1997-11-24T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <65bo2c$d9l$1@news.nyu.edu>, kenner@lab.ultra.nyu.edu says... > In article billg@jk.pst.com writes: > >Well then you don't fall into the category of capitalist either because > >being dishonest and unethical is at the core of capitalistic "success". > >But then you were referring to _other_ people weren't you. Your > >marketing people (and managers) will inherently be dishonest and > >unethical by definition of the way things really work. > > I would not hire marketting people or manager who were dishonest > either. I don't challenge your claim that some companies do, but I > would not. I find your attitude that it's not possible to do business > without being dishonest and unethical very disturbing. I've certainly never > been involved in such companies and never will knowingly be. > I've never worked for a company that was otherwise! It's just human nature I guess. Someone in the fold will always be playing politics trying to get the better of someone. No matter how slight the instance, it is ALWAYS there somewhere (the repository for the ill behaviour seems to be middle management who may indeed be chartered with the task of oppressing of personnel). Usually where there is conflict, there is reason for it. Companies go to great lengths to look like they on the right side even if they are not. I'm not just referring to interactions with customers, as it is more predominant in the company's dealings with its employees that put them in the realm of the dishonest and unethical. As for sales people: that false bonding they do to get business is dishonest at best. It's plastic people interacting and that leads to major conflicts in society as a whole. The way to prevent the large social problems from happening is to prevent the small ones from occuring. Unfortunately, the "problem" is actually a vehicle and an asset to many. billg