From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,8623fab5750cd6aa X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.litech.org!news.glorb.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics References: <40b9c99e$0$268$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk> <40ba315a$0$254$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk> <04udnR-eHNChzSbdRVn-vw@gbronline.com> <7J0xc.7371$8k4.269106@news20.bellglobal.com> <1086630278.542788@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <8xlxc.27603$sS2.845496@news20.bellglobal.com> <1086715817.122983@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <1086733411.736049@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <3Auxc.11998$XY6.1296622@read2.cgocable.net> <40C85035.4020706@noplace.com> <40C9EC3B.60304@noplace.com> <40CD90A4.8030005@noplace.com> <1087234490.635201@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> In-Reply-To: <1087234490.635201@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:30:35 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.96.223.163 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1087316970 198.96.223.163 (Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:29:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:29:30 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:1514 Date: 2004-06-15T12:30:35-04:00 List-Id: Hyman Rosen wrote: > Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote: >> Today's slashdot points out yet another exploit in Linux. > > I believe the link is actually > . > >> We like to deride Windows, but Linux, *NIX in general all suffer from >> the same problem. Some of these are no doubt due to design issues >> (which Ada may or may not help with). But surely, one has to wonder/hope >> if/that some other fundamental change (language) can offer an >> improvement. I think many are simply saying that they believe it >> to be so. > > Which illustrates that you did not actually bother to read about > what the problem is. You are correct: I skimmed it, due to a lack of time. You are also correct, if it reads as you say, it is a poor example. My real point is however, that it wouldn't be hard to find other examples of loopholes, that continually need to be closed. If the system is so secure, why are people so afraid of giving out shell accounts to their machines? The reality is that these systems are not very secure. Every network service exposed to the general public on the wild wooly world is also very much suceptable to exploits. Surely it is possible to do better than we are doing today? I see that _finally_ that AMD and Intel are coming out with half measures to help stem the tide with buffer overflows, with their new 64 bit processor cores. I hope that they continue to work on hardware measures that help. -- Warren W. Gay VE3WWG http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg