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On 04-Apr-14 15:19, Randy Brukardt wrote:
> "Shark8" <OneWingedShark@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:05m%u.20880$Nj2.13445@fx12.iad...
> ...
>> It's also a reference to the general low-emphasis on quality in general
>> applications: "we don't have time to do things right" is a too commonly
>> heard phrase.
>
> The only solution to that is to hit them in the wallet. "You don't have
> money to do things wrong" would go a long way toward proper quality in
> software. One hopes that the Toyota case would provide a wake-up, but it
> seems that it has not gotten enough coverage.

I used the Toyota case in the executive summary of SQUID as just such an 
illustration; IIRC it was called irrelevant.

> (The general media bought the so-called "NASA experts" that weren't even
> given the full source code to analyze. That's just a whitewash. One notes
> that the juries in the various lawsuits didn't buy the whitewash when the
> plaintiff's lawyers got real experts to analyze the real source code. Too
> bad that didn't get far more media play.)

Fully agreed.