From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,da46977c58c329df X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-02-05 23:07:59 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!ams.uu.net!newsfeed.song.fi!nntp.inet.fi!central.inet.fi!inet.fi!read2.inet.fi.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anders Wirzenius" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <4519e058.0201310714.650888e1@posting.google.com> <3C598CAA.7040801@home.com> <3C59FDF8.1F1AB5F1@adaworks.com> <3C5EBC07.6A27AE8A@west.raytheon.com> Subject: Re: Ada's Slide To Oblivion ... X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:07:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.251.142.2 X-Trace: read2.inet.fi 1012979242 194.251.142.2 (Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:07:22 EET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:07:22 EET Organization: Sonera corp Internet services Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:19658 Date: 2002-02-06T07:07:22+00:00 List-Id: Jerry Petrey @west.raytheon.com> <"jdpetrey wrote in message <3C5EBC07.6A27AE8A@west.raytheon.com>... ... >How true Richard. Here at Raytheon Missile Systems, all our new missile >software is going to C++. The managers listen to the young engineers who >only know or want to work with C++. There are a few older program like the one >I'm on that uses Ada (thank goodness). Most of these were started by ex-C >programmers and it is amazing how much like C their Ada code is. >I keep fighting for more Ada usage but I keep getting those same old >arguments - the tools are more expensive, Ada is dead and won't be supported >in the future, C++ programmers are easier to get, ... ad nauseam. >Yet they keep stressing how important it is that these missiles work >right every time - it is a frustrating battle to make them understand. >I applaud your efforts at Adaworks in teaching Ada. This is want companies >need - some in-depth courses that train software engineers to think in Ada >not just translate C code to Ada. I hope it has an impact on Ada's future. > >Jerry Why not let the money speak. I used to work for a Norwegian company (Computas) where at least at that time every work effort was connected to a project number. Every hour spent in the company was booked on a project number. We were thus able to go into details to examine how many hours were spent on each software system. Suggest, Jerry, to your boss that you start to do similarily at your department. Then sit down at the end of the year, go throuh the figures, and vote for the most profitable software. Advice him not to listen to people complaining that all their time is then going to report what they did during the day. The reporting system worked excellently in the company mentioned above and has been working in other companies that I have worked for. By the way, by extending the booking system a little, you are able to come up with numbers to present a traditional quality cost division, namely preventive costs, testing costs, internal error correction costs and external error correction costs. This is easily set up for a company which have minimal material costs compared to labour costs. Anders