From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 107d55,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid107d55,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: jsa@alexandria.organon.com (Jon S Anthony) Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Date: 1997/09/02 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 269613472 References: <34023FC9.59E2B600@eiffel.com> <3404670B.C3A2C4A2@pagesmiths.com> <01bcb38a$8ddc1200$1c10d30a@ntwneil> Distribution: world Organization: PSINet Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-09-02T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes: > JOn said > > "several factors". Let's face, getting even a 10% advantage is a rare > thing. OTOH, even a 10% advantage must then be characterized as a > "big deal". Personally, I think GC varies anywhere from 0% to maybe > 15-20% depending on the application characteristics. > >> > > Absolutely, gains of 10 or 20% are very significant and very important > to pursue. The trouble is that if people really start to believe the > "several hundred percent" or "order of magnitude improvement" claims, > they may overlook the achievable smaller bug significant gains. Absolutely agreed. The importance of this is really hard to over-emphasize as you can lose site of very real and tangible gains. Gains that are quite readily seen but are dismissed as not being "good enough", simply because they aren't that "magic bullet" level increase. But the latter is largely a fiction and so you simply mire yourself into non-progressing technology. A 10% here a 20% there etc. really begins to add up over the long term and eventually we might actually get this "several factors" over the course of building on these very real "small gains". That's why the overly prevalent "all or nothing" attitude in this business is so destructive and self defeating. /Jon -- Jon Anthony OMI, Belmont, MA 02178, 617.484.3383 "Nightmares - Ha! The way my life's been going lately, Who'd notice?" -- Londo Mollari