From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony) Subject: Re: Any research putting c above ada? Date: 1997/05/20 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 243230433 Distribution: world References: <5lrbnv$iaj@bcrkh13.bnr.ca> Organization: PSI Public Usenet Link Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-05-20T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <5lrbnv$iaj@bcrkh13.bnr.ca> kaz@vision.crest.nt.com (Kaz Kylheku) writes: > Jon S Anthony wrote: > >> computer science as to usefulness, there are parts of it that simply > >> do not get done elsewhere. Who else except computer scientists care > >> about compiler construction > > > >That falls under engineering. > > In your opinion. There are schools that incorporate computer science Absolutely. All of this is just "opinion". > >Linguists, mathematicians (formal languages), and philosophers. Where > > In general, these people don't particularly care for constructing programming > language compilers, however. Absolutely. That is where the _application_ of this stuff comes in, i.e., software engineering dealing with computerized automated recognition of formal languages. > >do you think this stuff came from? The standard "language hierarchy" > >used as the basis for recognizers is from Chomsky - a linguist, not a > >CSer. > > You could easily say that Chomsky has a good deal of a computer scientist > in him. Well, you can always try to play Humpty Dumpty. But, you have to realize that it just confuses things. > >> Where else is the theory of communicating processes (things like CSP > >> and CCS by Hoare and Milner respectively) going to live except in > >> computer science? > > > >Engineering again. Other than how this works in actual software > >systems, who cares? > > Most engineering professors (at least the types I have known) would butcher > and operating systems course. I went to a school where certain upper level Not if they were _software_ engineering professors. I am not saying that you should have EE profs or something doing this. I am suggesting that there be a real (new) software engineering discipline formed which would basically absorb what is now CS and ensure it has the proper engineering bent that (IMO) it should have. > ``other than how this works in actual systems'' --- typical engineering > attitude. To heck with abstraction, where is the iron? Well, sure - for EEs and CEs and such. But that's not what I'm talking about. > Uh, yeah, whatever. I can just see some artsie linguist formalizing > the C language! If there is such a linguist, I'd like to be > introduced to him or her. Wow. Have you ever looked into formal linguistics? > To begin with, linguists tend to scoff at artificial languages of > any sort. Really? Where'd you get this from? /Jon -- Jon Anthony Organon Motives, Inc. Belmont, MA 02178 617.484.3383 jsa@organon.com