From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,1042f393323e22da X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public From: jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony) Subject: Re: Any research putting c above ada? Date: 1997/05/15 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 241782042 Distribution: world References: <5le6vf$15p@bcrkh13.bnr.ca> Organization: PSI Public Usenet Link Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-05-15T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <5le6vf$15p@bcrkh13.bnr.ca> kaz@vision.crest.nt.com (Kaz Kylheku) writes: > Jon S Anthony wrote: > >> Well then let's not bother teaching computer science at all! Why not just > > > >Sounds like a good idea to me. > > Yeah, why don't we just burn those computer science texts, too! OK, :-) > >This would be the start of something that made sense if the core > >subject was _engineering software artifacts_. > > This anti-intellectual claptrap romanticizing is getting rather tiresome. I'm unclear on why you think this is "anti-intellectual". It's simply getting your tasks better and more clearly organized. So what if there is no "science" per se' associated with computers? Why should this bother you? Why is this a big issue? And why is engineering somehow "anti-intellectual"??? You think you can just go touchy-feely when engineering an aircraft wing? Or the combustion chamber head in an ICE?? Or a throttlable rocket engine???? or ... Come on - your credibility just dropped to zero. > Heck, I propose that we do away with learning all together. We Well this is very odd. I think it is pretty clear that I have a high belief in the value of learning and apprpriate and highly rigorous and formal disciplines. For crying out loud - my formal background is in theoretical mathematics. I've merely pointed out that CS is largely redundant (at best) with several other disciplines. > should instead hold retreats in the woods to get in touch with those > engineers inside of us that are just yearning to be set free! Only > then will we develop better software, in the most natural way. Very interesting. This really does seem to indicate that you don't think engineering disciplines have any value. That they are all just a bunch of "new age" touchy feely rubbish. And if CS became an engineering discipline it would apparently become: Anti-intellectual A hodge-podge of simple minded, non-formal, non-rigorous rubbish A place for artsy-fartsy types. Wow. Definitely odd... /Jon -- Jon Anthony Organon Motives, Inc. Belmont, MA 02178 617.484.3383 jsa@organon.com