From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony) Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ? Date: 1997/01/01 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 207184653 sender: news@organon.com (news) references: <5acjtn$5uj@news3.digex.net> organization: Organon Motives, Inc. newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.object,comp.software-eng Date: 1997-01-01T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <5acjtn$5uj@news3.digex.net> ell@access1.digex.net (Ell) writes: > Jon S Anthony (jsa@alexandria) wrote: > : With respect to this "led/leads" claim: Such as????? I can't think of > : _any_ where this is true. Though I can think of at least one > : important _implementation_ aspect where this seems to be true. > > Led (first or second) wrt the OO paradigm: Private data members, static > resolution of overloaded functions, protected members, and multiple > inheritance. Correct me if I'm wrong. Remember this is wrt the early > '80's. Recheck your facts. Led/lead means "first" to me and certainly carries that connotation around with it even if you want to pull a Humpty Dumpty. Private data member stuff was in various languages before "C with classes" was even conceived (e.g., CLU, Ada83). It certainly existed in Eiffel before C++ was christened. Protected capability was certainly in Eiffel-1 which predates C++. Same with overload resolution (e.g., Algol68 had this as did Ada 83 compilers that were in the field before CWC or C++). MI was in Eiffel from the start and that predates its appearance in C++ for sure. Next I suppose you will be trying to tell me it was the first to have generics (templates) or namespaces or assignment attempt or RTTI or... C++ was and is a _follower_. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is anything _but_ innovative. /Jon -- Jon Anthony Organon Motives, Inc. Belmont, MA 02178 617.484.3383 jsa@organon.com