* object Ada @ 1997-01-20 0:00 Wasiq Hasan 1997-01-20 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Wasiq Hasan @ 1997-01-20 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) hi i just got ObjectAda from thomson software. Is there ant refrence material for it? I want to call win32 api to read data from rs-232. do I need a vxd or i can just call the api? i'm using win95. anybody has any example. thanks Wasiq ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: object Ada 1997-01-20 0:00 object Ada Wasiq Hasan @ 1997-01-20 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 1997-01-27 0:00 ` Juanma Barranquero 1997-02-10 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony 1997-01-25 0:00 ` Dave Wood 1997-01-27 0:00 ` Craig E. Ransom 2 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Larry Kilgallen @ 1997-01-20 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <5c08vk$ame@ultra.exodus.net>, whasan@cyberoffice.com (Wasiq Hasan) writes: > hi i just got ObjectAda from thomson software. > Is there ant refrence material for it? For $ 30, the vendor will send you a draft version of their documentation intended for the next version. They have been suitably chastised in this newsgroup about failing to include hardcopy documentation with V7.0 but apparently there was a time-to-market issue. That is above and beyond any ambiguity regarding what name they should put on the documentation since between V7.0 and the future V7.1 they have changed their name from Thomson Software to Aonix. > I want to call win32 api to read data from > rs-232. do I need a vxd or i can just call > the api? Every ObjectAda for Windows package from the Personal Edition on up includes Win32 bindings, so you can call the Win32 API from the compiler. > i'm using win95. I don't know whether the ability to call the Win32 API is sufficient to access an RS-232 port or whether a VXD must be interposed, but if there is a problem in that area it would seem to be the fault of Microsoft rather than Aonix. With luck, even as I prattle on, a more helpful answer is being composed by someone who actually understands all the workings of Windows 95. Larry Kilgallen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: object Ada 1997-01-20 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen @ 1997-01-27 0:00 ` Juanma Barranquero 1997-01-28 0:00 ` Jerry Petrey 1997-01-28 0:00 ` Kevin Radke 1997-02-10 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony 1 sibling, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Juanma Barranquero @ 1997-01-27 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:06:05 GMT, in 32 wonderful lines, kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) said: >That is above and beyond any ambiguity >regarding what name they should put on the documentation since >between V7.0 and the future V7.1 they have changed their name >from Thomson Software to Aonix. Do you know when is that V7.1 scheduled to appear? I've just ordered 7.0 Professional and my local distributor said me: a) There wasn't any new version in the works (at least, to appear soon), and b) The money I'm paying *doesn't* include an upgrade option, so I'll have to pay again full price for next release. So I'd feel very cheated if that V7.1 you're mentioning were to appear in just a month or three. (BTW, I'm not trying to accuse my distributor of unfairness, but, as I made them clear, I think paying $750 and not having an upgrade path to new releases is a hard pill to swallow.) /L/e/k/t/u ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: object Ada 1997-01-27 0:00 ` Juanma Barranquero @ 1997-01-28 0:00 ` Jerry Petrey 1997-01-28 0:00 ` Kevin Radke 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Jerry Petrey @ 1997-01-28 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Juanma Barranquero wrote: > > Do you know when is that V7.1 scheduled to appear? I've just ordered > 7.0 Professional and my local distributor said me: a) There wasn't any > new version in the works (at least, to appear soon), and b) The money > I'm paying *doesn't* include an upgrade option, so I'll have to pay > again full price for next release. So I'd feel very cheated if that > V7.1 you're mentioning were to appear in just a month or three. > > (BTW, I'm not trying to accuse my distributor of unfairness, but, as I > made them clear, I think paying $750 and not having an upgrade path to > new releases is a hard pill to swallow.) > > /L/e/k/t/u Aonix told me last week that 7.1 is nearing release. Should be within a couple of months. If I were you, I'd find another distributor. And you should get on their yearly maintenance program where you get all the updates free. In any case, I would think that if a new version came out shortly after you purchased one, you would be offered the update at little or no charge - they can't expect to be successful if they don't do that. -- ===================================================================== == Jerry Petrey == == Consultant Software Engineer - Member Team Ada and Team Forth == == Rockwell Collins Commercial Avionics Group == == Melbourne, FL email: gdp@mlb.cca.rockwell.com == ===================================================================== ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: object Ada 1997-01-27 0:00 ` Juanma Barranquero 1997-01-28 0:00 ` Jerry Petrey @ 1997-01-28 0:00 ` Kevin Radke 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Kevin Radke @ 1997-01-28 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <32ecf0ca.12593582@news.lander.es>, lektu@lander.es (Juanma Barranquero) wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:06:05 GMT, in 32 wonderful lines, > kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) said: > > >That is above and beyond any ambiguity > >regarding what name they should put on the documentation since > >between V7.0 and the future V7.1 they have changed their name > >from Thomson Software to Aonix. > > Do you know when is that V7.1 scheduled to appear? I've just ordered > 7.0 Professional and my local distributor said me: a) There wasn't any > new version in the works (at least, to appear soon), and b) The money > I'm paying *doesn't* include an upgrade option, so I'll have to pay > again full price for next release. So I'd feel very cheated if that > V7.1 you're mentioning were to appear in just a month or three. > > (BTW, I'm not trying to accuse my distributor of unfairness, but, as I > made them clear, I think paying $750 and not having an upgrade path to > new releases is a hard pill to swallow.) The "second" patch to v7.0 is available on the aonix website. See: http://www.aonix.com/Support/ada_index.html (I'm sure aonix support would have told you this anyway...) Kevin -- /\/\Under Construction/\/\ kmradke@inav.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: object Ada 1997-01-20 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 1997-01-27 0:00 ` Juanma Barranquero @ 1997-02-10 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony 1997-02-12 0:00 ` Oliver E. Cole 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Jon S Anthony @ 1997-02-10 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <32FB8031.18D@ccis.adisys.com.au> Steve Gibson <gibson@ccis.adisys.com.au> writes: > Jon S Anthony wrote: > > > > > > ???? What's wrong with the Intermetrics X11/Motif bindings for Ada95. > > I think these things are even up for "ACE" adoption. > > > We made some attempt to compile the Intermetrics X bindings with > ObjectAdaV7.0 on HP-UX10.10. Had a significant number of problems not to > make it worthwhile. In any case the bindings, so I'm told, are > significantly different to what we currently use. (since we are porting > our 83 code, that's important). Passed the problem back to the vendor, > and was told Aonix tried the same and had the same problems. As far as I > know, the Intermetrics X bindings were dropped, Aonix will be shipping > the AXI bindings, good news for me since I'm told they are identical to > the bindings we use for our Ada83 code. This is big time bad news. These bindings should be pretty much standard Ada95 and so should go through anything supporting the Interfaces.C hierarchy. Admittedely I have not looked that closely at them and have not had the need yet to use themm under ObjectAda. But, having Aonix moving over to this AXI binding is a disaster in the making. Why? Simple: Begins again a myriad set of incompatible bindings from a number of sources. Ada95 can solve this problem and there is no reason why there should be more than one of these bindings. It _may_ make some sense to have one _thin_ binding and one _thick_ binding (I'm not even convinced of this - there should be _one_ _thin_ binding and that's it). Having more than one after all the past lessons "learned" from how _bad_ this is, at this point, absolutely INSANE. It would just be a reason for potential new users to _not_ use Ada. So, ACE members - what's the deal here? /Jon -- Jon Anthony Organon Motives, Inc. Belmont, MA 02178 617.484.3383 jsa@organon.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: object Ada 1997-02-10 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony @ 1997-02-12 0:00 ` Oliver E. Cole 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Oliver E. Cole @ 1997-02-12 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) The Intermetrics bindings are currently up for ACE adoption. They are thin, on purpose. Thin bindings need less documentation, as the original documentation can be re-used. ACE approved bindings are portable across Ada95 compilers. As Ada95 compilers get more mature, some things get caught that require changes to be made, but over time, they will become more stable. Many people are already using the Intermetric Motif bindings successfully, so such problems as these are isolated in the ACE experience. As soon as the ACE (and the ARA) endorses these bindings, they will be maintained and CM'd a little more aggressively. I myself would like things to move faster, but for some rason, I don't always get my way :-) Note that there is no committment from the ARA members to drop other bindings. As the post indicates, others bindings may be used by particular vendors as well, perhaps to support backwards compatability. --oec Jon S Anthony (jsa@alexandria) wrote: : In article <32FB8031.18D@ccis.adisys.com.au> Steve Gibson <gibson@ccis.adisys.com.au> writes: : > Jon S Anthony wrote: : > > : > > : > > ???? What's wrong with the Intermetrics X11/Motif bindings for Ada95. : > > I think these things are even up for "ACE" adoption. : > : > : > We made some attempt to compile the Intermetrics X bindings with : > ObjectAdaV7.0 on HP-UX10.10. Had a significant number of problems not to : > make it worthwhile. In any case the bindings, so I'm told, are : > significantly different to what we currently use. (since we are porting : > our 83 code, that's important). Passed the problem back to the vendor, [snip] : This is big time bad news. These bindings should be pretty much : standard Ada95 and so should go through anything supporting the : Interfaces.C hierarchy. Admittedely I have not looked that closely at : them and have not had the need yet to use themm under ObjectAda. But, : having Aonix moving over to this AXI binding is a disaster in the : making. Why? Simple: Begins again a myriad set of incompatible : bindings from a number of sources. Ada95 can solve this problem and : there is no reason why there should be more than one of these : bindings. It _may_ make some sense to have one _thin_ binding and one : _thick_ binding (I'm not even convinced of this - there should be : _one_ _thin_ binding and that's it). Having more than one after all : the past lessons "learned" from how _bad_ this is, at this point, : absolutely INSANE. It would just be a reason for potential new users : to _not_ use Ada. : So, ACE members - what's the deal here? : /Jon : -- : Jon Anthony : Organon Motives, Inc. : Belmont, MA 02178 : 617.484.3383 : jsa@organon.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oliver E. Cole oec@ocsystems.com OC Systems, Inc. http://www.ocsystems.com/ (703) 359-8165 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: object Ada 1997-01-20 0:00 object Ada Wasiq Hasan 1997-01-20 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen @ 1997-01-25 0:00 ` Dave Wood 1997-01-27 0:00 ` Craig E. Ransom 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Dave Wood @ 1997-01-25 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Wasiq Hasan wrote: > > hi i just got ObjectAda from thomson software. > Is there ant refrence material for it? > > I want to call win32 api to read data from > rs-232. do I need a vxd or i can just call > the api? > > i'm using win95. > > anybody has any example. > > thanks > > Wasiq Unlike Windows 3.1, Windows NT does not allow INT21 or BIOS access to the communication ports; if such access is required, the DDK should be used to develop a driver to carry out the function. That being said, the communication ports can be opened and used via the CreateFile, ReadFile and WriteFile API calls. The following functions are also available for use with communications devices. BuildCommDCB BuildCommDCBAndTimeouts ClearCommBreak ClearCommError CommConfigDialog DeviceIoControl EscapeCommFunction GetCommConfig GetCommMask GetCommModemStatus GetCommProperties GetCommState GetCommTimeouts GetDefaultCommConfig PurgeComm SetCommBreak SetCommConfig SetCommMask SetCommState SetCommTimeouts SetDefaultCommConfig SetupComm TransmitCommChar WaitCommEvent For further details, consult the appropriate Microsoft documentation. -- Dave Wood -- Product Manager, ObjectAda for Windows -- Aonix - "Ada with an Attitude" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: object Ada 1997-01-20 0:00 object Ada Wasiq Hasan 1997-01-20 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 1997-01-25 0:00 ` Dave Wood @ 1997-01-27 0:00 ` Craig E. Ransom 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Craig E. Ransom @ 1997-01-27 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Wasiq: << I want to call win32 api to read data from rs-232. do I need a vxd or i can just call the api? >> You should be able to just call the Windows API calls directly. You will have to create the appropriate record (struct) for the serial device, but after that there should be no really difficult technical issues. I assume you have some references dealing with the Win95 API. -- Craig (The Data Ferret 8:>) Janus/Ada 83; Janus/Ada 95; JAWS & CLAW; AppletMagic Using Virtual Access 3.52 build 159c (32-bit) Win95 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Object ADA @ 1998-01-05 0:00 AA HOLMES 1998-01-05 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: AA HOLMES @ 1998-01-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Has anyone else had problems with missing files with the free Oblect ADA download ? I seem to be missing files for the GUI builder. The help file refers to a directory concerned with the GUI builder which isn't there. Aonix say that their compiler is complete so I don't understand why these should be missing. I have e-mailed aonix but I thought I would post here incase I did't get a reply or it's a case of something I have missed or misunderstood, which someone can put me right about. Any help will save me learning C++ when I know ADA better Aidan Holmes "Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse?" Anon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Object ADA 1998-01-05 0:00 Object ADA AA HOLMES @ 1998-01-05 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Larry Kilgallen @ 1998-01-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.980105125452.8865A-100000@dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk>, AA HOLMES <aaholmes@comp.brad.ac.uk> writes: > Has anyone else had problems with missing files with the free Oblect ADA > download ? Yes, and they reported it either here on CLA or on the Intel-ObjectAda mailing list. As I recall the answer from Aonix is that the GUI builder does not come with the free version. (I presume the help files are the same ones which come with the paid product, and also include mention of additional features one only gets with the higher levels of the paid product.) > Any help will save me learning C++ when I know ADA better As time goes bu it naturally gets harder and harder to be the very first one to ask a particular question. Deja News on the World Wide Web has archival records of CLA postings, while the Aonix FTP site has archival records of their mailing list. I would suggest checking these out in order to learn the answer to questions you have not yet encountered :-) Larry Kilgallen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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