From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 11cae8,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid11cae8,public From: jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony) Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ? Date: 1996/12/23 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 205651473 sender: news@organon.com (news) references: <32A4659D.347A@shef.ac.uk> <32A71BC6.2D857063@arscorp.com> organization: Organon Motives, Inc. newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lnag.java,comp.object,comp.software-eng Date: 1996-12-23T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <32BB2C13.A38@rase.com> Tansel Ersavas writes: > Jon S Anthony wrote: > > > > > Still I believe that the next generation will work predominantly with > > > pictures and will rarely revert to bulky chunks of text > > > > Hmmmm, do you really think any attempt you try to provide for my first > > question will be any where near as light weight as "mountain"??????? > > Take a look at the "byte-size" of even the simplest graphic in any > > representation you care to and compare it to a "corresponding textual > > description". > > I remember similar discussions that took place when GUIs were first > introduced. However, it didn't change the fact that GUI dominated. When True, but irrelevant. Your point was that pictures were less "bulky" than text. That is simply untrue. > CERN fist introduced the text based ancestor of Mosaic, it didn't really > motivate any users to participate until the hyper-media concept was Sure, everyone understands that flash sells. > will happen, in fact already happening in the systems development area. > The first examples mostly suck, but they will be better, and will > eventually dominate. They may, but they will be bulky and resource intensive. It is interesting to note that in general you can get most of the "useful" information content of the Web with somethin like Lynx which is very very light weight. Netscape and other such browsers are very heavy weight. And they don't offer a lot of real value added. At least not yet. Perhaps they will. > One should also remember that text is a visual represenatation as well. > We have nice little icons that represent letters. So it is just one way > of pictorial representation. It is a fascinating evolution how we ended Fine, using this argument it is easy to say that pictures are text (especially when you consider pictograms and hieroglyphs). So, now you've managed to remove any content from the discussion. > of tests with users about the ease of learning of this new approach. To > many people's surprise they didn't turn out to be faster to learn than > the other concepts when they were first introduced. Even error rates > came about the same. What was different, though, people's enjoyment of > the "little pictures" as they defined it. This enjoyment in turn This is not particularly surprising. The same thing can be said, at a finer granularity, about embedded formating text processors and WYSIWYG. > promoted wider use, and indirectly more efficient learning. Pictures are > sexier. They can immediately grab our attention. This is clearly true. At least for the majority of people. It is also rather uninteresting as it is boringly obvious. Just look at what is more popular: TV or books. Also, just look at what has more content: Books or TV. /Jon -- Jon Anthony Organon Motives, Inc. Belmont, MA 02178 617.484.3383 jsa@organon.com