From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,c52c30d32b866eae X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,2ea02452876a15e1 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,c52c30d32b866eae X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public From: jsa@organon.com (Jon S Anthony) Subject: Re: Real OO Date: 1996/04/12 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 147201626 sender: news@organon.com (news) references: <4kbqun$iiv@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> organization: Organon Motives, Inc. newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.object Date: 1996-04-12T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article donh@syd.csa.com.au (Don Harrison) writes: > Yes, I confess my knowledge of OO languages is fairly narrow. I > guess I'm very Yes. It shows. > selective about which I bother looking into especially when I know how well > designed Eiffel is. Some claim that Sather is good and I would like to know > more about it but, from my understanding, it has no assertions and has (or is > about to have) a separate module mechanism. If this is true, it seems likely > the designers have missed the importance of assertions and uni-encapsulation > in an OO model. Nah. They just know a _whole_ lot more about this stuff than you. Sadly, given your self proclaimed narrow mindedness, they probably know more than you could even hope to know. BTW, your understanding is wrong - Sather has per method pre and post conditions, class wide invariants, and the assert statement. > community to acknowledge that these elements are important. The pure > and simple fact is that they have missed it and he has got it right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We already know you are closed minded dogmatic evangelist. Meyer indeed has a lot of "right" things to say. This is not the same as saying that everything he says is right. So the pure and simple fact is, you are in the weeds. > Yes, I am narrow minded but have good cause to be! Pssst, this is an oxymoron. /Jon -- Jon Anthony Organon Motives, Inc. 1 Williston Road, Suite 4 Belmont, MA 02178 617.484.3383 jsa@organon.com