From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,e5c972d04da95d51 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-04-18 04:23:23 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!4.24.21.153!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!chcgil2-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.binc.net!kilgallen From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: SPAM-less email (was If anybody wants to make something in Adabut Date: 18 Apr 2003 06:23:14 -0500 Organization: Berbee Information Networks Corporation Message-ID: References: <3E9D61C0.5070103@cogeco.ca> <3E9D8090.F86AF4EC@spam.no> <3E9D8625.4090308@cogeco.ca> <3E9D9642.2030303@cogeco.ca> <878yuae2uu.fsf@inf.enst.fr> <3E9EDB7B.2090901@cogeco.ca> In article , "AG" writes: > "Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message > news:U$J6hEh5KA1v@eisner.encompasserve.org... > >> Certainly. If you choose to associate with spammers (in the DNSbl >> comment I made just before my line above), you are already fighting >> this battle every day. (By "choose to associate", I include staying >> with an ISP who will not dump the spammers.) > > Sorry, I guess we've drifted quite a bit off-topic here. > Let's try to get a little closer to the subject line [before > the (was ...) part]. For example: your DNS comments > were a bit above my head - I know what you are talking > about but it would be a little hard to translate that into the > everyday e-mail usage. A DNSbl lists IP addresses from which spam emanates. Many ISPs reject all messages from the IP addresses on one or more such lists. That can reduce their message handling expenses up to 50% and give their customers a cleaner email environment. Opinions of customers vary, and customers should ensure they choose a receiving ISP whose attitude about this matches their own. > How exactly did I choose to associate with spammers? By patronizing an ISP that will pool your email with that of spammers, giving you the same sending IP address as the spam. Typically the email server sending address, different from "your" IP address (if any). > Am I supposed to check the policies of each and every > ISP provider I happen to use at the moment? And enforce > their no-spam policy? You should choose your ISPs wisely, consulting DNSbls and newsgroups to check their reputation. > In case you have not noticed, my original point was exactly > that it would be nice to have the situation changed so that > everyone can post to an open address if they are willing to > bet a dime or so on it. It would be nice, but that technology was lost when the world chose the SMTP "business" model rather than the X.400 business model. This is Gresham's law as applied to network protocols, made clear in this case not by a bit-level analysis but rather by the interaction of the ivory tower protocol with the real world. I don't mean to burden the group with an off-topic discussion, but efforts to produce the next killer application in Ada need domain knowledge in addition to software engineering techniques. The domain of spamfighting includes a lot of information about social interactions rather than just cryptography. If someone is really prepared to be a unifying force to get all vendors to agree on a new protocol, that is a monumental effort and I wish you luck. Just make sure you cover all platforms used for email, including Macintosh 68K and VAX. -- ============================================================================== The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor will I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the online community." ==============================================================================