From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,85b02a301688919 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada From: anon@anon.org (anon) Subject: Re: TIOBE Programming Community Index for November 2007 Reply-To: anon@anon.org (anon) References: <1779892.Lp74q3fGR4@linux1.krischik.com> <472ec5e7$1@news.post.ch> <1MEXi.334952$ax1.162469@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <472f20aa$1@news.post.ch> X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:00:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.78.218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1194278441 12.64.78.218 (Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:00:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:00:41 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:18200 Date: 2007-11-05T16:00:41+00:00 List-Id: >Or - more likely - a programmer will approach a manager with the claim >"Look Ruby is in the 10 ten of the TIOBE index. Ruby is a top ten >language. Ruby would be good for us. :-) :-)" A programmer suggestion how thing should be managed. That like saying that a initial programmer job start at $100_000 per year. We all know that's not true. The top of the pay scale last year was reportedly, the email specialist at $75_000 for at least 5 years experience, in the US. Plus, since "google" has not compiled with the US government request to give them information of what porn site were searched, what makes you think they would give any information to TIOBE. And since then other search engines have decide to become private with their data as well. So, can we trust that TIOBE is actually getting valid data or reporting the valid data. In <472f20aa$1@news.post.ch>, Martin Krischik writes: >anon schrieb: > >> Plus, most job hunting programmers do not use the keys "Ada >> programming" or "Ada jobs". > >TIOBE does not only go for job seeker but also for managers who consider >the programming language for a new project. > >Or - more likely - a programmer will approach a manager with the claim >"Look Ruby is in the 10 ten of the TIOBE index. Ruby is a top ten >language. Ruby would be good for us. :-) :-)" > >Or - horror scenario - "Look Ada dropped of the top 20 at TIOBE - it's >old fashioned - no body uses it any more - we should not be using it". > >Dropping off the top 20 will give Ada basher another angle to attack. > >> So, the hit counter is not a perfect list as TIOBE would like you to >> believe. > >I know that. But many don't. > >Besides: TIOBE does not measure actually used search pattern but the >result to one example pattern which they made up and consider useful. > >If we find it useful or not does not matter - they find it useful. So we >should consider tweaking our Web-Sides so they will match there pattern. > >We would not be the first. > >Martin >-- >mailto://krischik@users.sourceforge.net >Ada programming at: http://ada.krischik.com