From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,470860aa3e635a7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:23:09 -0500 From: "Steve" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <13duou81kg3sd1c@corp.supernews.com> <13f3e0vbb05s47c@corp.supernews.com> <13f6eg0te46m2a3@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: GNAT for MS Visual Studio Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:23:53 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.20.111.206 X-Trace: sv3-sDFeYQV5X0QqaO/HrU15L0hdF5GTYRJaBT6BRpiOoACWooG797xrRqXO0BjiR78nb3K4mrDdBBIJhXS!c2ERNi0AqPPMCSwrGIaCBKVWuNqSjeiRAoXY0Zj3U/fmJU9Me8S4zSDAbe4qMfEaOmx37NP73jDN!lude720qjNySwMVtg5EqKsXcuDHgZQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.35 Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:2134 Date: 2007-09-25T19:23:53-07:00 List-Id: "Markus E L" wrote in message news:xwir5zj8j2.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de... [snip] > > I see that MS marketing already works. In your mind GUI developent is > impossible w/o Visual studio. You're reading me wrong here. C# or VB on Visual Studo, Delphi and SharpDevelop are all comparable in terms of effort to create a GUI. Unless Microsoft has purchased Borland or Imprise ... I'm not sure what they're calling it these days) Delphi is not a Microsoft product. The Microsoft Foundataion Classes used with Visual C++ in visual studio are horrible. It has been since it was first released. Borland's OWL was 10x better than MFC. It's ridiculous to develop user interfaces using MFC when so many better tools are available. BTW: In my opinion: Ada is the best general purpose programming language to date. Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that AdaCore has produced a dot-net version of GNAT. If you haven't learned about dot-net, and you program user interfaces for Windows, I would recommend doing so. It is similar to Java and Java's virtual machine in nature, but better, and covers all of Windows. If you're programming using .NET you have a wealth of class libraries available... regardless of the programming language. It should be as easy to write GUI user interfaces with GNAT on .NET as it is to write them in C#, VB, or Boo. What I was trying to point out (if anyone was listening) is that there are tools available (for tool builders, which I'm not... its just not my forte') that should make it relatively easy for tool builders to include support for interactively building .NET forms in the Visual Studio 2005 development environment. It is impractical (as Randy mentioned) for Ada tool developers to create their own development environments with the same capabilites as Microsoft. But what is practical, is to make use of the tools that Microsoft has made available to customize their development environment. The same is probably true of Eclipse, but I am much less familiar with Eclipse. In general, I'm not a big Microsoft fan. When I first learned about developing windows applications my response was "you're kidding!". When VB and Delphi came out, it made things a lot better. In my opinion .NET has finally brought windows development far closer to what it should have been in the first place. I was reluctant to learn C#. It was my understanding that it was basically just a Microsoft rip-off of Java (in my opinion they have a history of copying other peoples innovations and making them their own). I try to keep on top of new technologies as they come out so reluctantly I read the ECMA standard for C#. I was suprised to find that there are several things that I like a lot better than Java. Ada is my preferred programming language. If A# or GNAT for .NET give Ada a better shot at a larger market, maybe I'll be able to use it more. Regards, Steve (The Duck) > > Regards -- Markus > >