From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f43e6,899fc98b2883af4a X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-17 09:30:46 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.gbronline.com!news.gbronline.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:30:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:30:49 -0500 From: Wesley Groleau Reply-To: wesgroleau@despammed.com Organization: Ain't no organization here! User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es-mx, pt-br, fr-ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) References: <9fa75d42.0304230424.10612b1a@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305091549.48b9c5d9@posting.google.com> <7507f79d.0305121629.5b8b7369@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305130543.60381450@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305160453.29c0c4af@posting.google.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.117.18.24 X-Trace: sv3-82WdyE2VKBVSAuorB3ICVyTpkaczDauqeiyZymG00G4MmxrOixT/C3GY4G0ZaxXeeVaz4HOL955+Q6W!JAAt9oyu8hJSaD1uAYEs0+pRVftXjubfsPqNpDGNkhDB2PPFskjDXJ5z3xzeXvMOA2rHPWwGQXqA!K7gX X-Complaints-To: abuse@gbronline.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@gbronline.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:64021 comp.object:63612 comp.lang.ada:37450 comp.software-eng:19260 Date: 2003-05-17T11:30:49-05:00 List-Id: >>The point I have been trying to make is that Ada catches >>a small extra subset of errors (and compared to modern C, C++ >>or Java, the "extra" might be non-existent). Ada or not, > > Nope - a while back we did a comparison using a rather well known > study into the root causes of programming errors in 'C' (I'll reply with > the exact reference when I get to work on Monday, if you want) Roughly > 50% of the errors either could not occur in Ada or would be caught by the > compiler. C++ also (almost by definition) contains the same root causes > as 'C'. Or (at the risk of irritating those who've seen me post this before) read: "C Traps and Pitfalls" NONE of the Traps and Pitfalls in the first one-third of the book would ever happen in Ada.