From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,f7a7163813ae8672 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: fa0ae,f7a7163813ae8672 X-Google-Attributes: gidfa0ae,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,f7a7163813ae8672 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,f7a7163813ae8672 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,f7a7163813ae8672 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,f7a7163813ae8672 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-11-08 13:58:46 PST Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.object,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.object Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!torn!utnut!news.ecf!doylep From: doylep@eecg.toronto.edu (Patrick Doyle) Subject: Re: Best language for low IQ programmers? Sender: news@ecf.utoronto.ca (news) Organization: Computer Group, Elec. Eng., University of Toronto Message-ID: References: <1005188797788841@usenix.org> <3BEA7120.8A979611@gperkins.co.uk> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: puma.eecg Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 21:46:20 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.c++:102821 comp.lang.java.programmer:108815 comp.object:24361 comp.lang.eiffel:4867 comp.lang.ada:16102 comp.lang.perl.misc:77546 Date: 2001-11-08T21:46:20+00:00 List-Id: In article <3BEA7120.8A979611@gperkins.co.uk>, Graham Perkins wrote: > >Now you say four false things (not controversial, actually >FALSE): > > Garbage collection is inefficient > Eiffel is front end for C++ > Programmer has to know C++ to use Eiffel > Eiffel programmer has to call C++ for anything useful like OS calls > >which makes us think YOU are a troll. Please, if you have some >sensible questions to ask, about Eiffel and other technologies, >don't spoil it by making assertions from a position of ignorance. Ah, Graham. I had a whole response to this all typed up, and then I realized that this is exactly the purpose of a troll, so I deleted it. :-) I must say, though, that this fellow's troll is MUCH better than the original one. The original one seemed like a joke to me the first moment I read it. -- -- Patrick Doyle doylep@eecg.toronto.edu