From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,f039470e8f537101 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-07-29 18:49:25 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny03.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Hyman Rosen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Non-philosophical definition of Eiffel? References: <1058968422.225561@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <3F200AD0.94F79098@adaworks.com> <7u9Ua.13412$634.10307@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> <3F215120.1040706@attbi.com> <1059151910.357790@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <1059416297.548253@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <1059510832.459614@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:49:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.157.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny03.gnilink.net 1059529765 162.83.157.195 (Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:49:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:49:25 EDT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:40978 Date: 2003-07-30T01:49:25+00:00 List-Id: Berend de Boer wrote: > 3. And let me tell you that a container-of-D is a subclass of > container-of-B is very useful in practice. Other languages might > say they don't this "type-hole", but if you look at the code > they're riddled with typecasts to workaround it. So essentially, > it's a nonsen argument if you look at actual code. > > I prefer a language that has a known hole above a language where I > must use type casts all over the place, any day every day. Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. Both C++'s STL containers and Matthew Heaney's equivalent Charles library in Ada have typesafe containers which involve no casting, and have no wrong-way bag-of-apples is a subclass of bag-of-fruit issues.