From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,912597791e813f68 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-01-19 15:57:06 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!usenet From: "John R. Strohm" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: advantages or disadvantages of ADA over pascal or modula Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:26:01 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: References: <3E171612.E4E2972@t-online.de> <3E296128.4183B70A@t-online.de> <6FD73B2917327E23.5FF84A56513A69C6.AC3092FBD5BCEE58@lp.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Jan 19 17:55:02 2003 NNTP-Posting-Host: !`_!$1k-X^Q#SR& (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:33220 Date: 2003-01-19T17:26:01-06:00 List-Id: That was PRECISELY what Rational did with the R1000, back in the mid-1980s. I really wish I had taken the time to research the business case, and do a proper chart pitch on it, with supporting data in detail. I sketched it out on the back of some piece of paper or another, but I never got around to fleshing it out. The numbers Rational was disseminating, which were backed up by other organizations who gave the product an honest try, were just-plain phenomenal. As in "you don't have to build a new building to house the next project" phenomenal. I think I could have made the case JUST on parking lot costs at GD/FW. "Marin David Condic" wrote in message news:b0ekls$ktt$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net... > Absolutely! Yeah, verrily! And Amen! > > Engineers tend to think that the object of the game is to use really > advanced tools to build really cool stuff. Bzzzzzttt! Wrong Answer! The > object of the game is to MAKE MONEY and the sooner Ada can start showing > people how it MAKES MONEY, the sooner it will start finding acceptance > against all of the objections of the anti-Ada software developers that don't > want to use it. If the industry that manufactures blivets uses predominantly > C and someone starts a business to make blivets and uses Ada and starts > coming out with better, less expensive blivets that show up earlier to > market, you'll see Ada catch on in the blivet industry like wildfire. > > Unfortunately, I suspect that Ada would be only one small factor in > improving the overall performance of most industries. Hence, the management > view of "A language is a language is a language..." Other factors can easily > outweigh whatever advantages Ada has over its competitors. That's why I > think its important for Ada to evolve a whole toolset to improve > productivity for some segment of the commercial world - to add more leverage > than the language alone can produce. > > MDC > -- > ====================================================================== > Marin David Condic > I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ > My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ > > Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g > > "I'd trade it all for just a little more" > -- Charles Montgomery Burns, [4F10] > ====================================================================== > > John R. Strohm wrote in message > news:DFEB74B72ECC1424.38F3492A4FC37FE2.7686CDC7A4899242@lp.airnews.net... > > > > You have to learn their language. > > > > Let me give you an example. A whole bunch of companies spent a lot of > money > > on Expert Systems work in the 1980s because of a couple of huge success > > stories. Digital Equipment Corporation did the VAX configurator, that > saved > > them a huge boatload of money. BBN did a geology expert system that found > a > > monster ore deposit that humans had overlooked. When you show a > beancounter > > that you can make him REAL MONEY using technology, he'll listen. > > > > > > > >