From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,cec04f9d45b3f527 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-08-30 02:35:34 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Stephane Richard" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <3F4F4817.7030306@noplace.com> <3F50130A.1070406@noplace.com> Subject: Re: An Ada advocacy method X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:35:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.149.82.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1062236132 141.149.82.227 (Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:35:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:35:32 EDT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:41972 Date: 2003-08-30T09:35:32+00:00 List-Id: Well to be sure I could just send you a whole roll of it? ;-) I know what you're trying to say marin, and those features dont only exists in Micro$oft products....take delphi/kylix...pretty good integration :-)...who was it that said that as far as open source programmers make programming things? well Where's Visual Ada ?? By that I'm not selling microsoft here, but Marin is right in my opinion....we got all the bits and pieces in ada thought we have database bindings, there's Glade, GWindows as GUI's GtkAda too, maybe it would be fun to take all that (throw in other stuff) build a uniform and integrated IDE to go with it...Sure theres AdaGIde, I use PCGrasp, and JGrasp, they're good editors/compilers...but that's about it. :-)...certain "up to date" features people now expect out of their IDE isn't there. at least not as far as the free ADA compiler goes. and they could be there.... -- St�phane Richard Senior Software and Technology Supervisor http://www.totalweb-inc.com For all your hosting and related needs "Marin David Condic" wrote in message news:3F50130A.1070406@noplace.com... > Do they have an integrated GUI builder that makes the GUI part of the > project? (I think ObjectAda comes close at least) Do they have an > integrated debugger that works well with the Ada source? (maybe - sort > of) Do they have a database & interface to same? (probably not) Does it > all come in a single distribution that installs right out of the box > with all the pieces? (maybe in part) How about documentation that you > jump to when the compiler pukes or you need to know how to use a library > routine (I don't think so.) And bringing that up, what about a really > nice class library that does all sorts of standard-issue things for you? > (I can't see one on the horizon that can compete with what I've seen in > other languages) And is there some sort of prefabricated application > model that hooks the GUI and the library and your project all together & > generates code to do the connections for you? (Not even anywhere in sight.) > > Having made use of MS Visual C++ and seen how spiffy that was in terms > of tightly integrated features, I'd hold that up as a standard against > which to measure. (Not for *quality* but at least for giving the > programmer a whole pile of well integrated things that enabled building > apps for the PC very rapidly - once you understood the model.) A program > bombs (as will happen a lot in C++) and you're right there in the > debugger - *plus* you could change the source and it automagically made > changes to the executing image and you could resume your run. And when > you got done building a GUI, it pretty much had the skeleton of whatever > you needed for callbacks done for you. Etc. etc. etc. > > Hey Steph! You got another one of those paper towels??? I'm foaming again!! > > (Wait a minute... Wes: Is this a troll? :-) > > MDC > > > > Wes Groleau wrote: > > > > Is EZ2LOAD defunct? > > > > How about the demo version of ObjectAda ? > > > > > -- > ====================================================================== > Marin David Condic > I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ > My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ > > Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g > > "In general the art of government consists in taking as > much money as possible from one class of citizens to give > to the other." > > -- Voltaire > ====================================================================== >