From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Date: 4 Mar 93 19:54:46 GMT From: emery@mitre-bedford.arpa (David Emery) Subject: Re: Mike Feldman, meet Archie Message-ID: List-Id: > Now if people in the DoD were serious about making Ada an accepted >language outside of the Mandated world, in the formal business sense of >launching a product, the first business thing to do would be to do a >comprehensive survey of Ada use in the non-Mandated world, for example, >by doing methodical Archie and WAIS surveys, contacting software >development companies, scanning thousands of technical reports with >source code listings, searches of universities theses, commercial CDROMS >with source code, counting job requirements in help wanted ads for languages >listed, and other areas to find out usage trends for programming I agree that there is room for a serious Ada study, but in the list Greg mentions, the *only* thing that counts is "contacting software development companies." The reason is that 'real developers' are too busy doing 'real work' to write tech reports, and they generally do not place their code in the public domain. Studying Archie and WAIS databases, technical reports, university theses, etc, will generally reveal the state of the practice in the research community, which is different than the state of practice in the commercial world. What's most important is finding those companies that are using Ada when they don't have to, and capitalizing on lessons learned from them. Some companies using Ada have declined to answer such surveys, citing their reasons for Ada as a competitive advantage. Others have been more open. On the other hand, as has been said many times, choice of language is *not* generally a technical decision. The fact that Ada was developed by the DOD tends to prejudice it in the eyes of many who believe that anything having to do with the military is inherently evil. This is particularly true in academic settings... dave