From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f43e6,2c6139ce13be9980 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,2c6139ce13be9980 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,2c6139ce13be9980 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,3d3f20d31be1c33a X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: doylep@ecf.toronto.edu (Patrick Doyle) Subject: Re: Design by Contract Date: 1997/08/27 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 268713975 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: skule.ecf Sender: news@ecf.toronto.edu (News Administrator) References: <33E9ADE9.4709@flash.net> <34023A1F.41C67EA6@eiffel.com> <34023C68.794BDF32@eiffel.com> Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel Date: 1997-08-27T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Hey, Jon, take a deep breath, relax, and have a look at what you said... In article , Jon S Anthony wrote: >In article <34023C68.794BDF32@eiffel.com> Bertrand Meyer writes: > >> Insulting the other side is not a substitute for rational argument >> (but tends to suggest fragility of one's case). > >This from someone who has offered not much beyond "because I say so" >as "substance" in this "debate". Go figure. > >> All the rhetoric in the world fades away when assessed against the >> potential for dramatic improvements in software quality. That's what >> counts -- not who shouts louder. > >With luck - so will yours. You're doing just what he's accusing you of doing. And it's just as pointless as he says it is. Ok, maybe he's doing it too, but if Bertrand Meyer jumped off a bridge... Why don't both you guys tell us once again exactly what your central points are, and we can get back on track. -PD -- -- Patrick Doyle doylep@ecf.utoronto.ca