From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f43e6,d24e07f660698f1 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,d24e07f660698f1 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,d24e07f660698f1 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,d24e07f660698f1 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: donh@syd.csa.com.au (Don Harrison) Subject: Re: Eiffel anyone? - Who uses it? Date: 1997/07/21 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 257907245 Sender: news@syd.csa.com.au X-Nntp-Posting-Host: dev50 References: Organization: CSC Australia, Sydney Reply-To: donh@syd.csa.com.au Newsgroups: comp.software-eng,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-07-21T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Matt Heaney wrote: :>He's asked me for my opinion, and I'd have to say that I somewhat :>agree. I've never met an Eiffel programer, and don't see a lot of :>ads for them in the classifieds. Note: I'm not debating whether or :>not Eiffel is a good language; that's not the concern. The concern :>is whether or not the job market will see this as having been time :>well spent. :> :>So, what's the (reality based) counter argument? : :Your friend's son doesn't know what he is talking about. : :I, a proud Ada programmer, fully endorse teaching Eiffel as a first :language as A Good Thing. : :For a cogent discussion of this issue, read Teaching the Method, chapter 29 :of Object-Oriented Software Construction (2nd ed), by Bertrand Meyer. : :The argument that the Eiffel has no "real-life value on the job market" is :completely specious. You go to college to LEARN HOW TO THINK, not to learn :programming language syntax. If you want that, why now just save all your :money and go to a trade school? Or just pick up a programming book at the :corner bookstore? Hey, Learn C in 14 Days! : :If it were that simple, everybody would be doing it. : :Try to convince this person to read Meyer's book. Guys that just want to :learn a "real" programming language, or would rather spend their time :programming instead of engineering, shouldn't be programming at all. Well said! Don. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Don Harrison donh@syd.csa.com.au