From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Date: 7 Jun 93 23:05:44 GMT From: eachus@mitre-bedford.arpa (Robert I. Eachus) Subject: Re: Data shows Top 50 Software Vendors not using Ada Message-ID: List-Id: In article srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian) writes: > Air traffic control systems route some of their real time information > over commercial phone lines (if you remember some of the stories from ATT's > Manhattan problem a while ago). Greg you apparently have no concept of what a fail-safe system is. The result of the ATT failure in Manhattan--which was not really a software failure--was to leave many planes sitting on the ground for hours BECAUSE there was no way to confirm that other centers could handle the load. Flights already in the air were not affected, because they already had confirmed routings. > If someone really studied this problem, I bet you would find > out that the number of civilian-potential deaths from informaiton > systems accidents surpasses the number of military potential > deaths in peacetime, and probably equivalent to potential deaths > in today's sanitary wartimes. Again a fundamental misundertanding. Of course the number of civilian-potential deaths is greater, in peace or wartime, because it is usually civilians who suffer the consequences. For peacetime examples, there may have been a few military personnel on KAL 007 or on the Iranian airliner shot down in the Persian Gulf, but most of the casualties were civilians. In the Gulf War, many Iraqi soldiers were intentionally killed by allied airstrikes. Most of the people killed by accident were civilians. Keeping today's sanitary wartimes sanitary means keeping all weapons under control and on target to the greatest extent possible. > Soldier's lives should be protected at all costs, except for > bankrupting the country they are defending, because civilian > livelihoods and lives (i.e. the people paying the taxes to > protect the soldiers) are killed. Again a fundamental misunderstanding. Soldier's lives are NOT protected at all costs, what comes first is completion of the mission. The primary mission of the Department of Defense is to keep the peace, because that is the easiest way to protect the American people. Let me try to explain that differently. Letting the other guy shoot first is not good tactics. But the Cold War never got hot because many soldiers on both sides took all possible reasonable--and many unreasonable--risks to avoid starting a shooting war. Shooting wars are hard to stop and tend to spread. -- Robert I. Eachus with Standard_Disclaimer; use Standard_Disclaimer; function Message (Text: in Clever_Ideas) return Better_Ideas is...