From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,641660bd28dd798d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-06 08:23:46 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal2.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "John R. Strohm" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Embedded Ada Development Tools Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:03:27 -0700 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: References: <3CFBC246.7020201@worldnet.att.net> <3CFE29BB.A7D22E77@NOSPAM.visteon.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Jun 6 10:22:49 2002 NNTP-Posting-Host: !e"K&1k-Y8]b&b- (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:25407 Date: 2002-06-06T10:03:27-07:00 List-Id: Jason, every company that has actually TRIED training programmers to use Ada has learned that it is not at all difficult, and that a good programmer very quickly becomes productive in Ada. When Boeing mandated Ada for the 777, every subcontractor in the country screamed bloody murder. Boeing insisted. None of them wanted to lose out on the biggest contract they would see for a long time, with the biggest airplane manufacturer in the world, that carried the certain knowledge that whoever took this job WOULD get the follow-on work for the NEXT airplane, and the rules would probably be the same next time around. They all toed the line. They ALL came in on time and in budget. Despite training costs. Despite, in at least one case, having to scrap a bunch of already-completed work and start over from scratch. Furthermore, when the companies really, seriously, did the metrics collection and looked at the results, they learned that Ada saved them time and money. The best example is the Pratt & Whitney experience, for which Marin David Condic is the knowledgeable individual who was in the trenches at the time. "Jason Gerry" wrote in message news:e8a5e1a4.0206060519.ce12ba@posting.google.com... > I agree with most of the information posted.... and.... not to start a > flame war or anything, but could you imagine doing embedded Ada > development within a small project team, and the ada developer was to > leave the company..... Yikes! ... I understand Ada is easier to > maintain, but you still need someone off the street who is adept at > embedded systems programming and Ada coding.... It would keep me up at > night. > > > Jason Gerry