From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,630c12e823d1bdf4 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-01-15 15:23:07 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!usenet From: "John R. Strohm" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada Compiler Pricing (was Re: Hijacking a Thread was RE: New Ada compiler for .NET) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:18:56 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: References: <3E259DAD.7B21B061@adaworks.com> X-A-Notice: References line has been trimmed due to 512 byte limitation Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Jan 15 17:21:29 2003 NNTP-Posting-Host: !bqla1k-X)W^Z$g (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:33055 Date: 2003-01-15T17:18:56-06:00 List-Id: "Richard Riehle" wrote in message news:3E259DAD.7B21B061@adaworks.com... > Marin David Condic wrote: > > > Of course, there is nothing to stop one from using Ada on a commercial > > RTOS - except for possibly finding a compiler that targets the board & the > > RTOS - and getting it at a reasonable price - and feeling comfortable that > > it will actually work without too many serious bugs > > I remember the Ada project at Xerox where the team built the embedded > system for a copier using Ada, and did not need to buy a separate RTOS. > They used the one supplied by the Ada compiler publisher. It was a > highly successful project and the team, along with its manager, realized > that Ada was a significant improvement over the way they had built > such systems before. > > Xerox executives, with their customary skill at "grabbing defeat from the > jaws of victory" (Smalltalk, Windows Operating systems, etc.), decreed > that Ada would not be allowed to be used for anymore systems. This > decree was made even in the face of compelling success with it. > > The project manager, in describing the project, remarked on the added > value that Ada provided in eliminating the need for purchasing stuff > such as VxWorks and related products. Everything they needed was in > the Ada. Just out of curiosity, did the Xerox executives in question give any kind of explanation WHY they outlawed Ada? One would think that, if the project manager did a decent job of detailing the actual cost and schedule savings on the Ada project, that it would get the attention of the beancounters.