From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,b72ad086ccc949b2 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsrout1.ntli.net!news-in.ntli.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-stoc.telia.net!news-stoa.telia.net!telia.net!masternews.telia.net.!newsc.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Persson?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031114 X-Accept-Language: sv, sv-se, sv-fi, en-gb, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: ACM References: <40CEE4ED.3070101@noplace.com> In-Reply-To: <40CEE4ED.3070101@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:50:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.209.116.179 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsc.telia.net 1087329059 217.209.116.179 (Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:50:59 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:50:59 CEST Organization: Telia Internet Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:1526 Date: 2004-06-15T19:50:59+00:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > By most computer-sciency-type definitions of "Programming Language" -=20 > XML would qualify. It does have a means of describing how data is to be= =20 > organized and manipulated. Especially if one is really thinking of XML = > in the larger sense of including style sheets and such. Sure, if you think of XML as the set of all XML-based languages. XSLT=20 for example can be used as a programming language. I was thinking of XML = itself. I would actually say that despite its name, the Extensible=20 Markup Language isn't even a language. It's a common syntax for markup=20 languages. I really don't see how XML in itself has "a means of describing how data = is to be organized and manipulated". It does provide a means of=20 organizing data in a tree structure. To describe *how* data may be=20 organized you can use XML Schema Language - an XML-based language for=20 defining XML-based languages. To describe how the data is to be=20 manipulated you can use XSLT - another XML-based language - and to=20 describe how it should be presented you might use XSL-FO - also an=20 XML-based language. > A word processor that can remember keystrokes and replay them is a kind= =20 > of "programming language", isn't it? ;-) If you mean that it records macros, then it is at least a programming=20 tool. If it's displaying a document that you describe as replaying=20 keystrokes, then you have just defined ASCII to be a programming=20 language. Then the term becomes meaningless because literally everything = computerish becomes a programming language. --=20 Bj=F6rn Persson jor ers @sv ge. b n_p son eri nu