From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!fx17.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Hubert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GNAT GPL is not shareware References: <0Kgqw.953330$_k.685364@fx16.iad> <199c826a-923e-497f-a8e2-9e732c8a5665@googlegroups.com> <87bnmetex4.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <4ae7f0d5-d681-4be9-95bc-b5e789b3ad40@googlegroups.com> <87tx06rve6.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <87lhlirpk0.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <79f3eff7-2b45-40ae-af94-fa9a17426d82@googlegroups.com> <87tx03rbr2.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 150107-1, 01/07/2015), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 04:09:07 UTC Organization: http://www.NewsDemon.com Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 20:09:06 -0800 X-Received-Bytes: 4373 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2032961327 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:24468 Date: 2015-01-07T20:09:06-08:00 List-Id: It's a concern when selling the result. Frankly I can't remember the last time I was using a Microsoft compiler I paid for. I guess that was some years ago when I was still working for a company, I guess they bought their licenses. I don't even know what VisualStudio cost these days, but I think it's in the range 500-2000$ depending on the version. I havent' looked at it closely but I believe they offer their latest version for free even? And it is something you can make an applicaiton with and sell it. Now if I would depend on selling software I make that way, I would pay 2000$ for a compiler, but just once, meaning if there were multiple people working on the project, I would use the free version and then pay for one license to compile the final result that goes to the customer. It also depends on the type of service I guess. For instance I am working on a tool that I write in Ada now. I will release it as Open Source when I'm done so their pro version doesn't concern me. However, I was making a change in the package structure yesterday or today that made the compiler crash with an invalid access error. Now I suppose if I was working on some major project that would be bad and you could pester them for a solution, but I changed the program to make the error go away, that worked for me. I didn't bother trying to contact them because I know they don't provide support for the free version, however there's a bug in the compiler and that bug is probably with their paying customers as well, so it would have been in their interest to at least provide some sort of bug report facility that someone like me could use even if there's no help provided. But yes, I suppose if that's the way it is today, either expensive compilers or nothing, than I guess they know best what makes sense for them and perhaps for the little guys it means using the FSF version if you want to release a closed source program. It makes no big difference for me, since I am working on a client server game. The client will always be in C++ due to the connectin to a 3rd party graphics library, which will be the new Unreal SDK once I get rid of the crappy engine I'm using now, and which btw sells for 15$ / month plus 5% of your gross income if you sell your product. Now that is an offer you can't refuse as small developer and it is a more than reasonable offer, which is why tons of people are jumping on the new engine. Considering that Epic Games is multimillion dollar company who's engine is used in AAA titles by the biggest companies in the world, I think they outshine Adacore by several factors. If they think there must be money in a business model like this, I am sure there is. But then, maybe Adacore is just too secure with companies like Boeing, Airbus, Raytheon on their customer list. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com