From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,912597791e813f68 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-01-18 22:09:04 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!usenet From: "John R. Strohm" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: advantages or disadvantages of ADA over pascal or modula Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:51:23 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: References: <3E171612.E4E2972@t-online.de> <3E296128.4183B70A@t-online.de> <6FD73B2917327E23.5FF84A56513A69C6.AC3092FBD5BCEE58@lp.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Jan 19 00:08:07 2003 NNTP-Posting-Host: !X&KK1k-X,`'\D? (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:33197 Date: 2003-01-18T23:51:23-06:00 List-Id: "Vinzent Hoefler" wrote in message news:b0damu$olm3h$2@ID-175126.news.dfncis.de... > "John R. Strohm" wrote: > > >"Vinzent Hoefler" wrote in message > >news:b0cil5$nrsvj$1@ID-175126.news.dfncis.de... > >> "John R. Strohm" wrote: > >> > >> >In other words, trying to save a few pennies on software development > >> >toolsets is sheer idiocy. > >> > >> ACK. But you forgot the usual manager thinking. > > > >No, I didn't. Instead, I explain the usual manager thinking, and the way > >the software engineer must couch the argument so as to work WITHIN the usual > >manager thinking. > >[example snipped] > > Of course. But as Minsky said: "Logic doesn't apply to the real > world." Probably at least not to too much of the business world. I > gave up to understand it. You have to learn their language. Let me give you an example. A whole bunch of companies spent a lot of money on Expert Systems work in the 1980s because of a couple of huge success stories. Digital Equipment Corporation did the VAX configurator, that saved them a huge boatload of money. BBN did a geology expert system that found a monster ore deposit that humans had overlooked. When you show a beancounter that you can make him REAL MONEY using technology, he'll listen.