From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_DATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,37ed89588a753b4c X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-10-27 03:58:27 PST Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Path: nntp.gmd.de!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!jabba.fdn.org!uunet!usa.net!intros From: intros@cscns.com (Introspect Technologies) Subject: Re: ARPA still undermining Ada Message-ID: Sender: news@usa.net (News) Nntp-Posting-Host: cns Organization: Internet Express X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <37u1h3$hpd@felix.seas.gwu.edu> <37uif1$i27@oahu.cs.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 06:50:26 GMT Date: 1994-10-27T06:50:26+00:00 List-Id: Bjarne Stroustrup <9758-26353> 0112760 (bs@research.att.com) wrote: : intros@cscns.com (Introspect Technologies) writes : > Jay Martin (jmartin@oahu.cs.ucla.edu) wrote: : > : So what language does Stallman like? Surely it is not brain-dead crap : > : like C,LISP and UNIX. Inquiring minds want to know! Jay : > : > [snip] : > RMS was quite contemptuous of C++ in his remarks. He felt that C++ had : > some serious deficiencies. G++ included some "fixes" but if the user : > wanted "standard" C++ features, they could invoke the "BS" switch. RMS : > said that he had expressed his concerns to Bjarne but was told "If you : > think you can do it better, go ahead". (Caveat: see above.) : That description does not square with my recollection. : [more snip]... I doubt the whole exchange lasted five minutes. : Why do I bother commenting? After all, what rms and I said or didn't : say to each other back in the dark ages can be of little interest today. : However, the myths that seems to sourround every programming language : tend to obscure the language itself to people with only casual acquaintance : with it, and are seldom helpful to anyone. Sometimes - far too rarely - : facts help avoid myths caused by random guessing about the reasons : various things are the way they are. : - Bjarne Thanks for commenting. I've often wondered what the exchange was really like. There are always (at least) two perspectives to any event and, for the reasons you state, your perspective is valuable in helping the rest of us comprehend the dynamics of our computer community. Douglas Arndt (member, Team Ada!) Introspect Technologies, Inc. PO Box 1135 Colorado Springs, CO 80901-1135 (719) 634-5744 (719) 634-1163 fax intros@usa.net --