From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-10 12:27:47 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.moat.net!border1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.gbronline.com!news.gbronline.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:27:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:27:46 -0500 From: Wes Groleau Reply-To: groleau+news@freeshell.org Organization: Ain't no organization here! User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Macintosh/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping References: <20040206174017.7E84F4C4114@lovelace.ada-france.org> <54759e7e.0402071124.322ea376@posting.google.com> <406EB6D2.8030801@noplace.com> <87d66pyw1g.fsf@insalien.org> <406EEC35.7040109@noplace.com> <874qs0zvy1.fsf@insalien.org> <40714C98.90601@noplace.com> <1073gv22t969q5a@corp.supernews.com> <40729B9D.30906@noplace.com> <1076000ef5oj06f@corp.supernews.com> <0emdncWNfbOyUendRVn-gg@gbronline.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.9.86.107 X-Trace: sv3-gZQHiGrh74O4lkxTamev+dDjpS9QWxf5NeLf1reUlH8AiVKNhRNI0FDERHiPNIMloWB3Zv4j61QndyY!wwdQyG8TFinZmE4J3DWTg+9kbNnt6t+WYsMYPB01rXtccIJO1Qr1yRAXKsxnOCWu08ahuv9He1EB!vQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gbronline.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@gbronline.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6953 Date: 2004-04-10T14:27:46-05:00 List-Id: Robert Spooner wrote: >> Ah, but a language that is ten times more productive >> still can't compete with one that has a hundred times >> as many developers. >> > Let's see... 100*programmers => 100^2*more lines of communication - > you're right, the project with the huge number of programmers will be > finished much later, if at all. :) Depends on whether it's really a "project" or whether people are fixing things independently with just a few guys testing and making sure incompatible changes don't get put in. Scenario: Two 100,000 SLOC collections. One in Ada, with (hope, hope) 1 error per 100 SLOC One in C, with 10 per 100 SLOC (No flames, these are just wild numbers for the sake of illustration) Assume an Ada programmer can find and fix a bug in a day, while the C guy takes two. There are a hundred C hackers and 5 Ada hackers. OK, our hypothetical numbers made the Ada guys much more productive _individually_. But the C folks as a total have us far beat. THAT was my point, not to try to pretend that any particular number was accurate. -- Wes Groleau "Beware the barrenness of a busy life." -- George Verwer