From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_DATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,518abe6ba1515a51,start X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1993-03-03 17:42:03 PST Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Path: sparky!uunet!ddsw1!eff!world!srctran From: srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian) Subject: Mike Feldman, meet Archie Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 15:08:55 GMT Date: 1993-03-03T15:08:55+00:00 List-Id: Periodically, Mike Feldman posts a list of projects using Ada. By itself, the list is interesting, I guess, but without any context (in terms of use of other languages in projects, and comparisons by lines of code, year of start and end, cost ,etc) it is hard to conclude much from the list other than - Ada use exists. Since we all know Ada use exists - what's the point. Anyways, I decided, since I have nothing better to do, to come up with my own list. My list is the distribution of Ada on public computer sites around the world - a global form of a version of Mike's list. To prepare this list, I issued an Archie query for the string "Ada". Archie is a program available at most Internet sites that searches through a database of all of the files publicly available over the Internet through anonymous ftp. Periodically computers around the world have their directories swept for information on such files, and all of this information is stored in a central database, which can be searched with the Archie protocol. It is a very valuable service, to be able to search many of the world's computers easily and for free (and it also illustrates how far behind the world the DoD is when it comes to software and information reuse - Archie itself show how primitive ASSET and DSRO are - you guys ever hear about the Internet?) What were the results of my query? First, keep in mind that for some reason most xxx.yyy.MIL sites are not scannable with Archie - you will notice no such sites in the list below. Thus the SIMTEL20 repository will not show up here, as well as other .MIL sites with Ada codes and information. Also, for some reason the SEI and AJPO sites don't show up here. However as a measure of Ada presence in the non-Mandated world, these sites should be excluded from any search. Also, I did not do the most comprehensive Archie search, through which I could have picked up more sites. Thus, while my search is not exhaustive, it probably is as exhaustive as Mike's search. What did I find? Not much. The majority of any such Ada references on sites around the world were to copies of the Ada bindings to X-Windows, and to the Adaed compiler. Beyond that, there were a few references to Ada documents and Ada source code. Keep in mind that in my string search for "Ada", I got more references to the "Adams Family" than I did for all of the Ada-specific references (though putting Gomez in charging of Ada policy does sound interesting). Anyways, measures like this, help wanted ads, commercial reuse products, actually licensed software, all show that Ada acceptance has been, is and will be minimal in the non-Mandated world until someone (the DoD, compiler vendors, or contractors) takes the responsibility of actively promoting Ada. This Archie result is embarrassing, given the billions being spent on Ada development projects. Embarrassing. 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