From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,757d3d6a4830d6a4 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-08-27 05:14:26 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Stephane Richard" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: Subject: Re: Idea of a new Ada website. X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:14:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.44.81.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1061986465 129.44.81.95 (Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:14:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:14:25 EDT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:41888 Date: 2003-08-27T12:14:25+00:00 List-Id: wrote in message news:mailman.15.1061982647.318.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org... > Hi Stephane, > > I agree whith Martin. > When we decided sometimes ago with Sam to redesign Ada-France www > (http://www.ada-france.org), we discussed what could be done to help Ada > through the net. > Hosting Ada project was not a real need, SourceForge and other are already > available. Indeed, this is not so easy to administrate. One may even argue > that it's better to have Ada projects hosted on SourceForge or Savannah than > on a specific server, to increase Ada visibility. > > AdaIC, AdaPower and maybe some others are pretty good Ada site. Obviously, > you could always better something, here the usability or here get a better > look, etc., but this is a lot of work with very few added value for the Ada > community. > > Our conclusion was that the only real need is : > 1 - a news portal : when you see that some Ada web page are several month > old, it could gives an impression of a dying interest/support for Ada. On > the other side, there is hardly one week without a tools/library/etc. > version announce on cla. > > 2 - a collaborative site : this is a good way to share the work, get > information quickly, documents up to date, etc. > > 3 - and also a sexy look, to avoid the impression that Ada is an old > military thing, and confirm that there is an active community. > > To conclude, i retains much more interesting the Ada Wiki or the Ada webring > idea than doing another AdaPower/AdaIC/SourceForce/etc. > > -- > Lionel Draghi http://swpat.ffii.org/index.fr.html > > PS : we are still looking for volonteers to give ada-france web a more > convenient look (and to write news). Any volunteers? Here's my point of view on the project parts. 1. The first reason I had to want to do this isn't really a new sourceforge lookalike per say. I'm offering this only as an alternative as far as project sources/distributions are concerned. Maybe some programmers simply dont want to go through all the steps and different project management methods that are at sourceforge. Maybe they just want a place to put their sources and distributions so others can download them and have a "wiki" or something like it to keep others informed on their work. a lot of users may also have their own version control system at home so they can do that part locally and only post a new version when they see it fit. 2. As I said in 1. I do plan to offer WIKIs for the projects, whether they are hosted on the website or not. Visitors might still want to be updated on a given project they know about. I'm not trying to be the only place where anyone can find Ada development projects. but that also brings me to point 3. But essentially, the purpose of my website is to tell visitors "this is to give you an idea of what Ada can do for you". I expect a lot of visitors will be curious about Ada. and will want to know this kind of information before they thrown themselves into learning it, or converting projects to Ada. 3. Without searching in the project tree at sourceforge, have you every tried to search for a given type of software, at sourceforge. One of the missions of my website is to promote Ada (in all it's aspects) and development projects are definitaly one of them. however, I find it hard to see if any project pertaining to a specific category are built in Ada. Source forge has no biased programming language per say, and that's good for what they do, they promote OpenSource software. Not the same goal as the website. I dont want people to see everything that's happening in the Open Source community, I want to "highlight" what's being done in Ada itself. In that line of thought, yes WIKIs will be there. Hosting of projects is not a must, it's an option to those that dont feel they need all the resources available tot them at sourceforge but do want a place where people can download their projects. I'll gladly provide links to any ada projects hosted on sourceforge, and treat them as any other project, give them the ability to have their own WIKIs, talk about their projects, post surveys to know if they are going in the right direction or see what new "user suggested features" they can look at implementing, etc etc.. They will also be a user's forum for general Ada discussions, in there will be an annoucement categories where developers will be able to post new annoucements about their project, be it a new version made available, a new idea for a project (which they might want to know if it's a good idea, if it has potential and the likes). :-) Then there's the regular contents a website should have, like a feedback form, news, ada adcocacy (brag about ada basically :-).... -- St�phane Richard Senior Software and Technology Supervisor http://www.totalweb-inc.com For all your hosting and related needs