From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c4cb2c432feebd9d X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,c4cb2c432feebd9d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid1094ba,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!lon-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "robin" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.fortran References: <0ugu4e.4i7.ln@hunter.axlog.fr> <%P_cg.155733$eR6.26337@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <6H9dg.10258$S7.9150@news-server.bigpond.net.au> <1hfv5wb.1x4ab1tbdzk7eN%nospam@see.signature> <4e078qF1cb6frU1@individual.net> <4e0e21F1chamsU1@individual.net> <10qtgfusyium5.1fe6t8kirrzbf$.dlg@40tude.net> <4e0h2aF1ccvnqU1@individual.net> <1j8hpasemtm7n$.1l1wrnukz7ewf$.dlg@40tude.net> <4e29g8F1c5p6tU1@individual.net> Subject: Re: Ada vs Fortran for scientific applications X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:58:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.53.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1149087521 144.134.53.178 (Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:58:41 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:58:41 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:4621 comp.lang.fortran:10552 Date: 2006-05-31T14:58:41+00:00 List-Id: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote in message news:u02hetbmsmkk$.18b13ph0ab35n.dlg@40tude.net... > On Tue, 30 May 2006 09:11:39 +0200, Jan Vorbr�ggen wrote: > > >> Ah, but an unforeseen error is a bug. One cannot be bug-tolerant, it is > >> self-contradictory, after all. Programming error (bug) means that the > >> system's state is not adequate to the physical system. Which could be the > >> rocket falling right onto the control tower. But that's no matter, because > >> there is no way for the program to know anything about that. Once you start > >> to judge about such undesired program states (even purely statistically), > >> and change the program, they automatically become *foreseen*. > > > > I don't consider that distinction helpful - it's like saying that economically > > important algorithms are NP-complete and thus unsolveable, while experience > > tells you that almost all practical problems turn out to be solveable with > > polynomial algorithms or at least reach approximations to the optimal solution > > that are economically indistinguishable. > > Good example. You cannot solve NP, but you can a practical [sub]problem. > Exactly so, you cannot write a bug-tolerant program, You can have a bug-tolerant program. > but you can a fault-tolerant one. And you can have a fault-tolerant one too.