From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,325c54deb91283fd X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-04-27 16:33:07 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!usenet From: "John R. Strohm" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada in Iraq Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:19:54 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: References: <1051282861.155019@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Apr 27 18:30:29 2003 NNTP-Posting-Host: !bA2S1k-VuUu`-- (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:36672 Date: 2003-04-27T18:19:54-05:00 List-Id: "Hyman Rosen" wrote in message news:ILWqa.15825$J27.12065@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > Wesley Groleau wrote: > > I'd put it slightly differently: the same programmers > > who screwed up because they tried to develop a system in > > a language they weren't capable of learning, will > > screw up a system in any language for the same reason. > > It's not really incapability of learning. It's a matter of > trying to use a language with only a cursory understanding > of it, instead of a deep one. When you do that, you're going > to fail, or at least "succeed badly", because you will fail > to use the features of the language to their best advantage. > It's the old concept of being able to code Fortran in any > language. Think of how many posts in this newsgroup criticize > Ada newbies for trying to transliterate C into Ada instead of > learning how things should be done properly in Ada. Now imagine > them actually going off to build a system in that style. > > Without an expert in Ada around to supervise the training, the > people learning Ada aren't going to know when they've learned > enough about the language to use it properly. Yes and no. About 90% of programming in Ada is pretty much the same as programming in any other decent language. Most of the lines in Ada AREN'T rep specs or tasking calls or instantiating generics.