From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,103b407e8b68350b X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-01-03 10:28:57 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.litech.org!news-xfer.cox.net!cox.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-text.cableinet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Subject: Re: Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea.. From: Bill Findlay Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Message-ID: References: <3E147D79.2070703@cogeco.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:28:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.195.52.70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: news-text.cableinet.net 1041618536 80.195.52.70 (Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:28:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:28:56 GMT Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:32498 Date: 2003-01-03T18:28:56+00:00 List-Id: On 3/1/03 13:16, in article av42f6$d5i$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net, "Marin David Condic" wrote: > Bill Findlay wrote in message > news:BA3AC562.17A7%yaldnifw@blueyonder.co.uk... >> >> It was a joke, Marin. >> > Ahhh, but a "joke" that's been seriously suggested here before. :-) !!!! >> "Same old Ada"? For all practical purposes Ada 95 is the same age as Java. > By which I meant that simply changing the terminology to be more "Macho" > and/or just tinkering with the syntax a little to make it look different > isn't going to fool anyone into thinking its something "new". I agree, of course. [...] >> (1) "We don't care about software quality ..." >> (2) "We do care about software quality. ... Ada is for talentless losers." >> (3) "Ada is too low-level. ..." >> >> Depressingly, type (1) critics were in a majority. [...] >> > I understand and sympathize. The problem is that those are your potential > customers for Ada and if you don't find a way to persuade them with > *something* then you'd might as well just give up. I've had my own data > showing how Ada can make more money and the problem is that this sort of > data just doesn't seem to help people get interested in it. Mostly because > it is "Life Cycle" money and most business efforts are driven by "Time To > Market" money. They don't care if it costs more in the long run because if > it doesn't get there first, it won't earn anything anyway, so better to > spend more "in the long run" if whatever you do gets a product out the door > quicker. That pretty much sums up what type (1) critics said. Despite my making fun of them, I do think they have the makings of a point. But don�t you think that (other things being equal - and that is what you are emphasizing) Ada *would* get them to market sooner? I was even more depressed that type (2) critics, who did care about quality, had the perception that Ada was a crutch for the talentless. This is so contrary to my own perception that I find it bewildering. -- Bill-Findlay chez blue-yonder.co.uk ("-" => "")