From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,3885b7fd66a1db28 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-12-24 11:29:22 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Subject: Re: Why is Ada a good choice for an ambitious beginner to programming From: Bill Findlay Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Message-ID: References: <5ad0dd8a.0212210251.63b87aba@posting.google.com> <5ad0dd8a.0212230352.11f8b886@posting.google.com> <5ad0dd8a.0212231215.6ae81bf7@posting.google.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:29:09 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.195.52.70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk 1040758161 80.195.52.70 (Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:29:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:29:21 GMT Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:32285 Date: 2002-12-24T19:29:09+00:00 List-Id: On 23/12/02 20:15, in article 5ad0dd8a.0212231215.6ae81bf7@posting.google.com, "Wojtek Narczynski" wrote: > Bill Findlay wrote in message > news:... >> On 23/12/02 11:52, in article >> 5ad0dd8a.0212230352.11f8b886@posting.google.com, "Wojtek Narczynski" >> wrote: >> >>> Well, if you asked them, "Where does 'new' allocate memory?", 50% >>> would answer "stack", 45% - "heap", 5% would give you the correct >>> answer. At least this is the result I get with graduates that claim >>> that they know C++. >> >> What is the relevance to beginners in Ada of your experience with >> graduates who 'know' C++ and are confused about it (unsurprisingly)? >> This is a strange basis for claiming that *Ada* is difficult! >> (Especially since the C++ answer is different from the Ada answer.) > > Bill, > > You may have not noticed that this question also applies to Ada, but > the answer is even harder than in C++. Wojtek, we are talking about beginners here. C++ beginners just *might* have to learn about placement new, to let them do things that are trivially easy in Ada; but, never having taught C++ to beginners, I could be wrong. Ada beginners do not have any need to learn about storage pools (if their instructor is sane at ay rate). -- Bill-Findlay chez blue-yonder.co.uk ("-" => "")