From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,a00006d3c4735d70 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-02-26 05:41:32 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!news.moat.net!border1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:41:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:41:30 -0500 From: "Robert I. Eachus" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: In-Out Parameters for functions References: <4020C947.81A6D703@0.0> <1075907239.138068@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <402232E9.3EE15B4B@0.0> <1075987360.225622@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <40236C0B.E988E003@0.0> <1077634311.254581@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <1077718871.47635@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <54cp3095jmv8s17h63d4bjdus0tec7l7pt@jellix.jlfencey.com> <1077721343.481619@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <1077727853.904323@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> In-Reply-To: <1077727853.904323@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.77.160 X-Trace: sv3-Yp12rI2ilw201IRJ2idmQFMmvvgIB5I4RftCODUgV8O3Fn4Kj042SroYoIb22NaTIEoBNFsnusryutD!UjGO+MUfAlDw8dPdL0L1lHj/KtkAcJdy2kw8G1s07bDbxYXxqqfL0FwKQcnbZw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:5844 Date: 2004-02-26T08:41:30-05:00 List-Id: Hyman Rosen wrote: > Robert I. Eachus wrote: > >> Absolutely wrong. ... I will declare... > > > You are describing your programming practices. > Your practices do not necessarily represent the > philosophy of the language. In any case, when I > said that a + b becomes "+"(a, b) and not "+"(b, a) > I was not "absolutely wrong" but "absolutely right". No, you were absolutely wrong as usual. The order of evaluation of the parameters to "+" is undefined whether the "+" is user defined or language defined. To quote 6.4(10): "These evaluations are done in an arbitrary order." There is even an explicit footnote at 4.5(14) that explains that this applies to predefined operators as well as user defined operators. I should stop wrestling with pigs. But I would like to preserve this newsgroup as a place where users can get reliable advice on language issues. So I have to keep putting up these placards that say ignore anything Hyman Rosen says about Ada language issues. -- Robert I. Eachus "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." --Edmund Burke