From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-25 01:08:38 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Gary Labowitz" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy References: <9gsvr7$7ho$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9folnd$1t8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B1FE1FE.B49AE27F@noaa.gov> <9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b24dc21$1@news.tce.com> <3B25D5FB.15C9B240@dresdner-bank.com> <9g5as6$hbq$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g5ipg$roq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g614i$at4$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b366a2b$6$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:09:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.153.90 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 993456544 207.16.153.90 (Mon, 25 Jun 2001 04:09:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 04:09:04 EDT Organization: ENTER.net (enter.net) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9085 comp.lang.java.programmer:78490 comp.lang.pl1:1120 comp.lang.vrml:3908 comp.lang.java.advocacy:21879 Date: 2001-06-25T08:09:04+00:00 List-Id: And now it's you that needs correction. Most shops in the early days were centralized computing. And most of those were centralized development as well. [Definition: centralized -- a single computer at a centralized location. All computing is done on that computer. Users go physically to that computer site and either submit jobs directly to the machine, being given time on the machine to use it, or submit jobs to a checkpoint from which operators submit the jobs for the user. If the site was large enough to have several computers they were clustered in the same general area and users selected which of the computers would be used for their individual jobs.] I can remember back to 1962 (when I started with IBM) but built my first computer in 1956. Your turn. Gary "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" wrote in message news:3b366a2b$6$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net... > In , on 06/19/2001 > at 08:21 AM, lesbell@nospam.lesbell.com.au said: > > >"Marin David Condic" wrote: > > > >I seem to be getting misunderstood for reasons I don't comprehend. > > You haven't been misunderstood, you've been corrected. Your knowledge > of DP history is faulty, and you haven't paid attention to those who > were there in the old days and told you the reality. > > >We > >*used*to* have centralized computing. > > What you mean "we", kimosabi? As I said, it's not a question of > misunderstanding you, it's a question of correcting you. Maybe you > worked at a shop that had centralized computing, although I doubt it. > Such shops were not the norm. > > >What I *am* saying is that we once had a centralized model and opted > >out of it > > And as long as you keep saying something demonstrably false your > conclusions remain suspect. The industry has had both decentralized > development on centralized hardware and centralized development on > decentralized hardware for as long as I can remember. Centralization > of one does not, has not and will not imply centralization of the > other. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT > Atid/2 > Team OS/2 > Team PL/I > > Any unsolicited commercial junk E-mail will be subject to legal > action. I reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any > abusive E-mail. > > I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to > domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me. Do not reply to > spamtrap@library.lspace.org > ----------------------------------------------------------- >