From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,92c39a3be0a7f17d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-12-20 12:36:09 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Portable GUI (was Re: Future with Ada) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:07:22 -0500 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9vtgdu$j6n$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <9v57u1$mfb$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9v74ov014bc@drn.newsguy.com> <9vb24v$7fg$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9vdo2a$9h3$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3C20C5CE.DBFE5B96@san.rr.com> <9vqk0f$cp9$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3C223DE4.9A50C1B2@adaworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1008878846 19671 136.170.200.133 (20 Dec 2001 20:07:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Dec 2001 20:07:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:18168 Date: 2001-12-20T20:07:26+00:00 List-Id: Its pretty obvious to me that there's a *big* business advantage to being able to utilize everything that you get with something like Java or MSVC++. For whatever the flaws are in the language, you just get to market so much quicker because you've got the GUI tools, etc., available to get it running that much faster. Being able to bind to it with Ada is interesting, but not compelling - it just adds another layer of work and makes it difficult or impossible to use all of the other spiffy tools in the IDE. We can't *fault* Ada for not having this kind of thing - at least it seems moderately unfair. After all, Microsoft and Sun are behind the aforementioned tools & they've got the cash to dump into building the spiffiness. But if Ada wants to compete where these other guys play, its just a non-starter without the libraries and IDE. And the price has to be competitive as well. So it seems to me that for Ada to break into this realm it either has to find a really big sponsor willing to invest in the toolkit or it needs to evolve a GUI and IDE of similar calibre in some sort of volunteer or speculative venture. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Richard Riehle" wrote in message news:3C223DE4.9A50C1B2@adaworks.com... > > In nearly every paper, especially those comparing Ada to Java, > the students said they would be more inclined to use Java because > of the easy-to-use development environment. Even those who > really took to Ada noted their disappointment with the available > tools for creating, testing, and debugging programs when comparing > their Java experience with their Ada experience. >