From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,92c39a3be0a7f17d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-12-14 13:48:48 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Future with Ada Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:00:30 -0500 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9vdp9f$9vo$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <9v57u1$mfb$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9v74ov014bc@drn.newsguy.com> <9vb24v$7fg$1@nh.pace.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1008363631 10232 136.170.200.133 (14 Dec 2001 21:00:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 2001 21:00:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:17931 Date: 2001-12-14T21:00:31+00:00 List-Id: "Pat Rogers" wrote in message news:ESsS7.2213$Le3.1716485294@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... > > I wish I could agree -- it's fun to design things -- but I don't think it > will get there. We'll spend too much time discussing and debating low-level > details. That's why I started this thread by proposing one of the existing > implementations: I believe we should pick one and run with it. Sure, let's > discuss the characteristics of the overall library -- I would suggest > Bertrand Meyer's criteria in his book describing Eiffel's library: "Reusable > Software: The Base Object-Oriented Component Libraries" -- but then let's go > with it. > I understand your point, but look at how much resistance there was to most of the existing container libraries? What is already out there seemed to have flaws that sufficient numbers of people found strongly objectionable. If it didn't get adopted by unilateral imposition, its tough to get a consensus. (I'd bet that if GNAT came bundled with the BC's, people would still object - but would likely use it anyway.) > If enough people ask for it, the vendors will provide it. I have words to > that effect from two of them. > But I don't recall that there were large number of folks calling Thomas Edison on the phone and asking for him to invent the light bulb. Nor did people Fax Henry Ford pictures of the car they wanted with a suggested name of "Model T". :-) Sometimes businesses simply react to demand from their customers. Sometimes businesses come up with something great and new and go out and educate their customers as to why they would want to have it. Waiting for a groundswell of demand from the customer base for some particular container library is, IMHO, just about guaranteed to result in No Standard Ada Component Library(tm). If it gets into one vendor at all, other vendors will cater to different demands and you'll have dozens (or at least a few) competing standard libraries. Customers don't always know what they want until its under their nose and they start to discover its advantages. Hey. If the vendors go for it, great. But I'd bet that it wouldn't happen any time soon. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/