From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,beb0b7471c6440e3 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-11-20 15:09:09 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: 'Cyclone', a safer C--reinventing the wheel Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:36:30 -0500 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: <9telte$n15$1@nh.pace.co.uk> References: <3BFA4095.8325D016@earthlink.net> <3BFA8AE3.48AE4F21@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> <3BFACB1B.DFF32727@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1006295790 23589 136.170.200.133 (20 Nov 2001 22:36:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Nov 2001 22:36:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:16759 Date: 2001-11-20T22:36:30+00:00 List-Id: Those of us who have been around Ada and been fans of Ada for a very long time have gotten very tired of listening to totally irrational criticisms of the language over the years. We've heard every conceivable lame excuse for why Ada can't be used for this-or-that application (back in the days of The Mandate) and heard so much FUD scattered about concerning what an absolutely horrible abomination Ada is, etc., etc., etc., that we have become a little touchy. After years of listening to the FUD and lame excuses, we find it highly ironic when all of a sudden someone working with languages that we have known had major weaknesses that Ada could have fixed for them "discovers" that if only they did something more like Ada, their software would be more reliable and easier to build. (Duh!!!) I don't think this comes out as a "My language is better than your language!" war - except insofar as most of us here have known for a long time that the type-checking, etc., that Ada provides makes for more reliable code than one typically finds with C. We get to wondering why there's all this resistance to using Ada but all kinds of enthusiasm for trying to cobble onto something like C the very features that the C-fans have criticised Ada for having at all. (IMHO, trying to cobble Ada-ish techniques/features onto C amounts to polishing a turd, but that's another story.) The C-fans have spent years trying to get us to understand that strong typing "only gets in the way" and that Ada sucks because of its type checking, etc. Now suddenly its a good idea? I imagine those of us who have fought the same fights for years will understand and sympathize with the "touchyness" some of us have in this area. If you have not been through those wars, please be patient with our ranting and raving. :-) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Wes Groleau" wrote in message news:3BFACB1B.DFF32727@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com... > > I'm suggesting that sometimes people say some REALLY STUPID > things against Ada and/or in favor of some other language. > This causes fans of quality software to be a little more touchy > about such statements, perhaps even misunderstanding them.... >